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Alycus Since: Apr, 2018
May 15th 2019 at 8:55:13 AM •••

As a Malaysian, the entire section on the Chinese in Southeast Asia is highly questionable to me. Chinese-Malaysians are unique among immigrant groups in having maintained their native languages and culture to the point of having their own Chinese schools and communities, and do not, in fact, speak Malay "without exception". The Chinese in Singapore and Thailand have retained less of it but have certainly not completely abandoned it either like what the passage implies. To put it bluntly, someone did not do their homework here.

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Alycus Since: Apr, 2018
May 30th 2019 at 6:42:01 PM •••

Notably, this removed entry that got replaced by the above passage is much more accurate (although it refers to an earlier generation of Chinese immigrants that arrived between the 15th and 17th centuries, not the ones that came during British rule):

"The Peranakan Chinese of South East Asia are typically descended from Chinese traders who settled in what was then the Spice Islands or the East Indies (Nanyang to the Chinese). After a few generations their customs and cuisine absorbed a lot of Malay influences, going native, although they do maintain distinct traditions based on their Chinese roots."

I can't just put this back in without starting an Edit War, so I'd like to ask what's the course of action here.

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Camacan MOD Since: Jan, 2001
Oct 31st 2010 at 7:19:02 PM •••

As written, it looks like a whole society changes from modernity to tribalism and a low tech lifestyle — which would make it not an example. What we need here is another group that an individual is joining.

  • The Chozo in the first Metroid Prime, or at least the ones from Tallon IV, resigned to all their years of technological advance and returned to living as peaceful, humble tribes.
    • Well, not quite - they still retained a measure of technology in order to keep Metroid Prime locked up, after all - but the Primals from Metroid Prime 3 are more suited to this, what with them slaughtering the Lords of Science on Bryyo and subsequently descending into murderous tribal savagery.

MikeRosoft Since: Jan, 2001
Jun 20th 2010 at 11:26:28 AM •••

Removed natter: [Re:"abducted" by "savage injuns"]

  • Thats the Happiness in Slavery argument.
  • That, and (correct me if I'm horribly wrong) weren't those sorts of abductions somewhat common in a number of native cultures? Seems to me like an effective method of preventing inbreeding, if your women are being carried off all the time (and subsequently replaced in the same manner).
  • Oh yeah. "I'm sorry for taking your dear little daughter. It was necessary to prevent inbreeding". That is a Straw Darwinist argument.
  • Isnt one of the reasons people call each other savages because distasteful customs are common among them? After all kidnapping(in the form of mass slavery of Africans and occasional nabbing of people as specimens to show back home) was a "common custom" in a number of white cultures too. Does that magically make it better?
  • This whole idea is an obscene example of Moral Myopia and Political Correctness Gone Mad. Kidnapping was a "common custom" among both white cultures, and native cultures and indeed many cultures all around the world. So were a lot of other evil things. It was just as evil when done to whites as it was by whites.
  • It's worth noting that "kidnapping" of brides in these cultures was often a highly formalized institution designed to let the husband-to-be to demonstrate his manliness to the potential in-laws. They were in fact often mutually consenting affairs. Similar customs have existed in almost all cultures; a modern remnant still exists in the custom where a newly wed husband carries his bride over the treshold of their marital suite.

Long live Marxism-Lennonism!
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