Am I correct in concluding that post-"clean up", characters who display knowledge of tropes and point them out in-universe no longer fit? If so, what do you call characters who figure out that a trope is happening and advise accordingly? What's the standard for this trope now? How much knowledge does a character have to display?
I guess it's irrelevant that the result of the clean-up is forbidding what was once a lot of fun and led to a lot of humorous entries and listing of funny moments in media. Since the term has been redefined, what does the site permit users to call examples of characters who deduce what the result of a situation or action will be purely because it involves a trope someone exposed to fiction would be familiar with? If an occurrence of such knowledge no longer qualifies as Genre Savvy, what *is* such an occurrence called now?
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I'm with you. This new definition is stupid and way too narrow.
BOOM. Ah, frig, the fourth wall was broken AGAIN.
I believe the trope you are looking for is Functional Genre Savvy (when they display knowledge of tropes relevant to the setting).
Other substitute tropes included Taught by Experience, Playing with a Trope, and Unfazed Everyman.
There is no new definition. We are just... Actually enforcing the old definition.
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Haven't you heard of the concept that it's much easier to be strict first and relax your rules later than the other way around?
Does it count if a character is familiar with reality shows like in The Hunger Games? I want to say no but it is a form of media.
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If they are in a Reality Show - whether the work itself is a reality show or they are in a Show Within a Show - then yes. THG is of the latter type, I think.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
How come the Real Life section was removed? I kind of liked the examples.
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It was judged to not fit the trope.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
In order to be Genre Savvy you have to be in a certain genre of a work of fiction, thus it is not possible in Real Life.
I am concerned that Genre Savvy is being inappropriately used for people that are simply tactical experts. To give an example, Drasna, one of the Elite Four in Pokémon X and Y, is listed as Genre Savvy because she is a Dragon-type specialist, but her first Pokémon is a Dragon/Poison dual-type that directly counters the Fairy-type (pretty much the Dragon-type's hard-counter otherwise). This isn't Genre Savvy, but simply being an expert with the mechanics established in-universe, and predicting how someone might respond to the foreknowledge of her specialising in Dragon-type Pokémon. If she referred to a change in the game's mechanics between versions (such as the Fairy type being added or Steel losing its resistance to Dark) or the strengths and weaknesses in the context of another game or medium, then that would be Genre Savvy or even leaning on the fourth wall.
To give a good if obscure example of Genre Savvy: Mr. Wakefield from the 60s British film "Carry On Teacher"... he is incredibly sharp when it comes to the comic-book style tricks that the students pull, such as instantly realising that a crackling sound when a student sits down is because of a magazine he's stuffed down his pants as padding (from the cane). He even says "couldn't you have found some soot just for a change?" when he comments on the pranksters repeating a falling-bag-of-flour trap. Of course, rather than being well-versed in the children's comics of the time, he may have just been around long enough to know every trick in the book.
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I'd say anything that's obviously not based on being familiar with the stories of a certain genre should be cut. You're right that the Pokemon example is bad.
What if the character is Genre Savvy (to the extent of Breaking the Fourth Wall), like, say she knows she's the Author Avatar, and is the sort of character the author would normally have as the protagonist. However, she's really The Deutragonist, though she sees it otherwise. It's technically not Wrong Genre Savvy, right?
The Singing Cat
The page quote almost seems like it should be listed as a Heartwarming Moment somewhere in it.
I'm too old to be cute dammit
This trope is overloaded with examples of characters who simply have a good read on another's personality. Even when it does involve storytelling conventions that pertain to the characters and the story in which they're involved, it's not even pointed out in the example.
Also, if you have common sense about the world you live in, it's not Genre Savvy, it's just savvy. This goes for real life as well as internally consistent fictional worlds.
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I'll second that. I've seen a huge number of supposed examples of "genera savvy" for various works that are really just "good situational awareness", or "understands the sort of things that can happen in real life".
Ok, I've now recently noticed that most of the Tropes relating to Genres almost always have Phineas and Ferb in the Western Animation part. WHY SO MANY REFERENCES TO THAT?
It could be argued that Makoto Shishio of Rurouni Kenshin, is in fact, Genre savvy, having knowledge of, "Beware the nice ones." in regards to Soujirou Seta, as he gave him a wakizashi after hearing that he was abused by his adoptive family.
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"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman