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Isn't the crux of this trope is that someone has to invoke it In-Universe? So if we can see that it's not much of an excuse but but the characters don't bring it up, just up to us to figure that out, wouldn't it be just the base trope but with the description adding that it's not really much of an excuse?
For example, under MCU Ronan right now, "Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse: His father, grandfather, and great-grandfather were all killed in the Kree/Xandarian war. While this doesn't justify Ronan's actions in the slightest, he does bring it up twice as a reason for his hatred towards the Xandarians. If Captain Marvel was of any indication, this was one of the Kree's several unjust wars, making this excuse fall flat. In other words, he's blaming the Xandarians over a war he and his people started." Does anyone try and call out his Freudian Excuse? In his Establishing Character Moment the prisoner just tells Ronan he can't do what he's going to do, but I think he was just referring to Ronan's going on a genocidal quest rather than his excuse specifically.
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Question. Does it count as this trope if a character directly refuses to use a Freudian Excuse in the first place?
Edited by RainbowPhoenix
The quote on this page keeps changing; I think we should develop some consensus about it.
These are what's gone on the top of the page:
- "You think you are the only ones who lost people? You think you are the only ones in pain? You think you can take your shit and dump it on me? You don't get to do that! So you take your goddamn pain and you live with it, assholes!! You lost your parents? Welcome to the goddamn club! I lost mine in some random accident! Do you see me trying to kill every shitty driver? NO! Because I don't work my shit out on other people! So keep your goddamn feelings to YOURSELF!"
- ->Jason: Your parents suck. Eleanor: Yeah. And I've been using their crappy parenting as an excuse for my selfish behavior. But no more.
— The Good Place [this is also what it's still indexed under since nobody changed the Quote Source]
I personally don't think the current is the best of those, since it emphasizes his evilness more than his upbringing. Because quotes generally have to be short yet illustrative, I'd prefer the Good Place one or the Shower Thoughts one.
Edited by Synchronicity Hide / Show Replies
The good place one is really good. When the trope page was creted, though, it used Bojack Horseman's quote, which might be one of my favorites, though I also like the Jessica Jones one.
I would've gone with the "Cool Motive, still murder" quote. It's short and sweet, and it gets the message across pretty well.
Edited by ClownPrince47
^It is short and sweet, but the trope is narrower than "motive" and broader than "murder"...
^^That's pretty good, too. Can probably be trimmed a little bit:
Okay, I might be making an ass out of myself, but everywhere I go, I see people taking the trope off of the pages. RWBY, Death Note, and maybe more I see pages where people refuse to acknowledge that villains like Salem and Light had a Freudian Excuse created from when they weren't kids, and when people call them out for the horrible things they did it invokes this trope. But people are removing this trope from their pages because their Freudian Excuse did not occur when they were pre-teens. Personally, I think that's a bit ridiculous because plenty of people can just suddenly snap from recent trauma (I'm looking at the Joker). But I refuse to get into that argument, so I'm thinking we should make a variant trope off of Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse. The main page for those whose excuse comes from childhood, and those who have FreudianExcuse from later in life be another trope if that makes sense