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Why were over half of the beat-em up section deleted? Originally I noticed that not much detail was added to them, but that's why I added information so that they can be on the list. And each example followed what a fragile speedster is. So why delete them?

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Fragile Speedster vs Forcless Speedster Wick Check

Square Root 2714 = ~53 Total Count: 39. Fragile speedster includes Forceless speedster already. (Scenario A) 13 Fragile Speedster is specifically for low defense, not low offense. (Scenario B) 1. Borderline case.

On my process: I grabbed at least 2 examples from every letter, and within that framework tried to prioritize Trope Definitions over examples on trope Pages.

Where Fragile Speedster overlapped with Glass Cannon to indicate offense I took that Fragile Speedster alone should have low Force in addition to low defense. (Competitive Balance as it stands allows for non foil tropes to be mixed and matched.)

Where Fragile Speedsters were caveated with using rapid attacks as opposed to heavy attacks I took that to mean using speed to make up for Forcelessness (multiple strikes, Hit And Run, Flechette Storm, Death of a Thousand Cuts etc.)

Where Fragile Speedsters were set up to be the opposite of Mighty Glacier on the same page, I took that to mean that default state is already Forceless.

Further, multiple trope definitions lay out that Fragile Speedsters have low offense or are a foil to Mighty Glaciers.

The Fragile Speedster page should be combined with the YKTTW for Forceless Speedster, or simply edited to make it explicit that it accounts for low offense as well as low defense.

• 1. Ace Online: Fragile Speedster: The X-29 has consistently tended to fit this archetype, though its missiles aren't weaker than usual. So is it's "cousins" the F-5E and F-20A in their respective games.
  • The phrasing makes it seem like a subversion that it’s missiles aren’t weaker. Implies that trope should include low offense. A

• A Game of Gods - Champions : Fragile Speedster: She's lightweight, and speedy even without teleporting. But she can't take hits very well.
  • Makes no reference ot offense. B
• Armored Villains, Unarmored Heroes: A further contrast between a Mighty Glacier and a Fragile Speedster.
  • Inverse of Mighty Glacier. A
• Balance, Power, Skill, Gimmick: The standard set up is a combination of Jack of All Stats, Mighty Glacier, Fragile Speedster, and then something else for variety.
  • Inverse of Mighty Glacier. A
• Batman: Arkham City: Fragile Speedster: Catwoman is explicitly faster than Batman, but also not as heavily armed or armored, and requires more stealth tactics.
  • Not as heavily armed or armored. Offense and Defense. A
• Castlevania III: Dracula's Curse: • Fragile Speedster: Grant Danasty. His dagger may be weak and not have much range, but he can stab fast enough to stunlock enemies.
  • Low Offense: A
• Clash of Clans: • Fragile Speedster: Deals less damage than both Barbarians and Goblins, with less hp as well. However, they attack at range, which often allow them to stay out of tower range.
  • Low Offense: A
• Characters/DCAU-Justice League: • Fragile Speedster: Most of the time. He sometimes leans towards combining it with Glass Cannon, or even becoming a full-on Lightning Bruiser depending on how serious he's getting.
  • Notes that it has to be combined with Glass Cannon to have high offense. A
• Dead Island: • Fragile Speedster/Glass Cannon: Despite being a melee specialist, Xian has no defensive talents and her health pool grows more slowly than anyone else's. It is not unusual for even a high-level Xian to go down after two or three hits from a Thug or an infected with a weapon, which makes her the single worst character to play in single-player mode. You generally want to focus on evasion and jump attacks with her, and pop a medkit any time she's taken any real damage. On the plus side, her specialization in bladed weapons lets her attack quickly for high damage with very little drain in stamina, and in the late game she's absolutely devastating with a katana or Zed's Demise.
  • Has high offense. Notes that its combined with Glass Cannon however. Borderline case.
• EarthBound: The Chosen Four: • Fragile Speedster: She has the highest speed of the four heroes, and is about as durable as a wet piece of tissue paper.
  • Low defense specifically. B
• Elemental Rock-Paper-Scissors: Lucas Arts's turn-based-strategy Gladius had a size-based example of this: where Heavies had an advantage over Mediums, Mediums over Lights, and Lights over Heavies.
  • Inverse of Glacier. A
• Fantasy Character Classes: They tend to be quick but fragile, limited to light armor, but deal a lot of damage when allowed to do so
  • Low defense. Offense varies. B
• Final Fantasy IX: He has the highest Agility among all the characters, and has the second highest Strength. Contrast with the Fragile Speedster status of Thieves in other Final Fantasy installments.
  • Fragile Speedsters shouldn’t have high strength. A
• Characters/Grimm: Extremely fast, but not particularly strong at all.
  • Strong usually implies offense, or at least overall power. A
• • Fragile Speedster: In Godzilla Unleashed. He's fast and agile, but his strength and defenses are only mediocre. He must rely on his combo capability and speed to win.
  • Low offense included. A
• Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft: • Fragile Speedster: Valeera will make many more attacks than the other attack-heavy heroes due to having infinite 1/2 weapons for 2 mana each as well as more class-specific weapons. However, unlike Malfurion or Garrosh, she cannot shield herself with armor, so she will take the full brunt of counterattack damage each time.
  • Low overall power. A
• Higurashi: When They Cry • Fragile Speedster: In Higurashi Daybreak. She has A LOT of mobility options and great damage in the melee department. She also has the fastest walk and run speed and second best air dash speed, behind non-scythe Rika. She also travels quite the distance when attacking someone with a regular attack, dashing forward a few feet forward before actually attacking them, depending on the distance, giving her deceptively good range in melee. However, she is almost the first to be knocked out in a game, has less than an average health and has one of the lowest defenses in the game, along with Rika.
  • Low defense specifically. B
• /Infinite Crisis • Fragile Speedster/Glass Cannon: She's fast and her combo potential for killing early is very powerful, but she won't last long without proper backup.
  • Needs Glass Cannon to justify high power. A
• I of the Dragon • Fragile Speedster - Barroth's stat gains lean towards this - high speed, good mana inflow for spell spamming, but low regeneration means he can't stick around a fight as long as the other two.
  • Mentions low healing which I can chalk up as defensive skill. B
• Kamen Rider Double: • Trial: Turns Accel into Accel Trial and a Fragile Speedster. Sacrificing physical strength and armor strength, it increases his speed a hundredfold. However, once the Maximum Drive is activated, it has to be finished in under 10 seconds, elsewise the user's body is harmed. The Maximum Drive is activated through the stopwatch-like Maximum Mode. When in Memory Mode, has a starting-light display with three lights to indicate the different stages of the transformation when it's in.
  • Low overall power. A
• Kingdom Hearts: Organization XIII: • Fragile Speedster: Larxene is pretty vulnerable to attacks, provided you can catch up to her.

• In 358/2 Days, she is a mix between this and a Squishy Wizard.

• Her other combat tropes make it clear she uses rapid attacks rather than heavy attacks. Low overall power. A

• League of Legends: X-Z: • Fragile Speedster: His abilities all revolve around dashes and rapid slashes and his passive encourages high movement speed and constant running around to generate his Flow meter. The "fragile" part is helped by a decent-sized innate shield that he gets when he has maximum Flow.
  • Rapid attacks to make up for weak individual attacks: A
• Live A Live: • Lightning Bruiser: Amongst the successors, she's the fastest of the group, but she doesn't have low enough attack/defense to put her into Fragile Speedster.
  • A
• Maji de Watashi ni Koi Shinasai! Other • Fragile Speedster: Can't take a hit at all, but is a pretty skilled fighter otherwise.
  • B
• Videogame/Mariokart • Fragile Speedster: The lightweights, such as Toad, Koopa Troopa, and Baby Mario. Though not very fast, lightweight characters are able to accelerate quickly to their top speed in addition to having the highest handling and off-road. However, they have low weight and are mostly vulnerable to getting pushed around by heavier characters.
  • A
• Not August • Fragile Speedster: The orange plane you can use is the fastest one and has the highest rate of fire, but it also has the smallest health of the three.
  • A
• No More Heroes 2: Desperate Struggle • The Camellia Mark III is a Fragile Speedster, having low strength but faster attacks and more battery life than the Blood Berry.
  • A
• Opposing Combat Philosophies: The Various Bending Styles on Avatar: The Last Airbender , each have their own philosophies; first, the Airbending style is all about "being the leaf" relying on circular movements, lots of dodging, and using non-lethal techniques in general. In Contrast Earthbending is all about standing your ground "Being the Rock", hitting hard and using the terrain (Literally) to your advantage.
  • A
• Webcomic/Outsider • Fragile Speedster / Glass Cannon: Loroi Warships have tremendous ranged firepower compared to the Umiak, and are very fast, but their vessels aren't as robust.
  • A
• Power at a Price • Fragile Speedster: Sacrifices overall power for mobility
  • A
• Chronicles Of Conflict/Protagonists • Fragile Speedster: Fastest guy on the team, but he can't take that much damage.
  • B
• Queen of All Oni • Fragile Speedster: As Right points out during their fight, Viper is fast and can get in some strong hits, but can't really take any.
  • B
• Queen's Blade – Main Characters • Fragile Speedster: She's fast, but not as durable as the rest of 'em.
  • B
• Radiant Dawn Protagonists • Fragile Speedster: At the point that you get her, most laguz can finish off a beorc enemy in a single turn; Vika often can't. When she rejoins late in the game drastically underleveled, she'll be lucky to do more than a couple of damage per attack (and it may take some BEXP to even make that much possible), yet she remains useful due to her ability to dodge just about everything.
  • A
• Ready 2 Rumble Boxing • Fragile Speedster: She has, hands-down, the fastest attacks in the game, but isn't very durable or powerful.
  • A
• Star Fox 2 • Fragile Speedster: Fay and Miyu's Arwings are the fastest, come stock with twin blasters and charge the fastest but they have the least shields, this is made up for by their default special weapon being an Invincibility Powerup.
  • Uses rapid attacks, inverse of Mighty Glacier A
• Super Robot Wars Alpha • Fragile Speedster: The Astelion outflew Aguija's Silverwind, which is already a speed demon. A great compensation because the Astelion's armor is oh, so horrible.
  • B
• Tatsunoko vs. Capcom Capcom Characters • Fragile Speedster: He has the same amount of health as Karas, but has a easily spammeable dash attack and has many, many, many offensive options available. Glass Cannon: Another interpretation of him, true to form. Expert players can whip out positively mammoth strings of heavy damage, but he can't exactly take a hit either. There's a reason he's been christened as a spiritual successor to Akuma.
  • A
• Team Fortress Classic • Fragile Speedster: The Scout. Compared to his bat-swingin' Bostonian brother, his nailgun is super-accurate, but weak, and the projectiles take time to hit their target (the target can even Dodge The Bullets), and his single barrel shotgun makes the scattergun look like a Redeemer. Instead, he's much faster (even more so than aforementioned brother) and can use concussion grenades to hop like a flea all over the place. Oh, and leave caltrops to slow down the movement of pursuing enemies.
  • A
• Unreal Tournament III Fragile Speedster: The Raptor is incredibly fast, can kill enemies on foot in a matter of seconds, and can deal incredible damage to most vehicles with its missiles. It's also only durable enough to survive maybe two AV Ri L rockets, and getting hit with most other weapons sends it spinning out of control.
  • B
• Ultra Galaxy Mega Monster Battle • Fragile Speedster: Dorako initially overwhelms Eleking with his speed and flight but gets torn apart once the lightning monsters gets his hands on him.
  • B
• Vandal Hearts • Fragile Speedster: As an Archer. Combines this with Glass Cannon in the Air path.
  • A
• Video Game Characters • Fragile Speedster A character who's very fast, but can't hit very hard and has low defense.
  • A
• Video Game/Wipeout • Fragile Speedster: Faster crafts tend to have weaker shielding. This is Icaras' hat in all of their appearances. 2048 made most, if not all, of the Speed class crafts this. Most weapons available for this class are usually weak, like the Cannon and single Rocket. Oddly enough the Feisar Prototype can surpass the usual max speed and still use weapons mostly available to Agility class crafts.
  • A
• White Dark Life • Fragile Speedster: Weaker than his father, but smaller and more annoying. Ne also has more stamina than his father, allowing him to maintain mimicry for longer.
  • A
• Characters/Xiaolinshowdown • Fragile Speedster/Glass Cannon: Depending on the situation, Kimiko alternates between these.
  • A
• Characters/X-Men Film Series X-Men • Fragile Speedster: Has to rely on dodging and Indy Ploy to take out her opponents.
  • A
• Yu Gi Oh Card Game A-E • Fragile Speedster/Glass Cannon: The Blackwing's main strategy resolves around swarming the field and easily bringing Synchro monsters. However, the player will have their hand burned out of cards, also their Synchro monsters are the only truly powerful monsters of the archetype in raw power (the strongest non-synchro only has 2200 ATK whereas the Synchro monsters reach up to 2800).
  • A
• Yet Again The Oogakari • Fragile Speedster: Is insanely fast to the point that he uses his time powers to slow him down to keep things interesting. Also can be dropped in a single blow even by the canon characters if they manage to hit him.
  • A
• Zombieville USA • Fragile Speedster: The fast zombies can reach you before you react and deal a lot of damage before you stop them, but it only takes one or two shots to dispatch them.
  • B
• Zoids: New Century • Fragile Speedster: The Lightning Saix's ridiculous speed is its only advantage, but it's overwhelming when put to good use.
  • A
• TRON: Uprising: Fragile Speedster: In comparison to more well-trained programs like Tesler and Paige, he's this, faster and more agile than both, but far less resilient and with less punching power. In comparison to the normal Programs, he's a Lightning Bruiser.
  • A
• The Ninja Warriors Again: Ninja: Mighty Glacier, Kunoichi: Jack of All Stats, Kamaitachi: Fragile Speedster
  • A

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