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I think we can remove a lot of examples from the "Things that do not qualify as Fandom-Enraging Misconception" folder. The new trope name makes it clear that it's about objective misconceptions, so stuff like "liking The Scrappy" does not qualify.
I suggest keeping the following, as they might be confused with objective misconceptions:
- Preferring one spelling of a character's name over another when there is no official spelling, or the spelling is inconsistent so nobody knows which is the official one. If there is an official spelling, but some fans often make mistakes with it, that does qualify. [If Alice angrily says "It's Mikey, not Mickey!", someone unfamiliar with the character can't tell if "Mickey" is wrong, or just an alternative official name that Alice happens to hate.]
- Using a character's translated name instead of the original. [Similar reason as above — someone unfamiliar with a translated name might just assume whoever used it made a mistake.]
- Mentioning certain unpopular fanon theories. Mistaking said theories for official canon can be a valid example, though, as can believing explicitly Jossed theories. [Kept to emphasize the "mistaking the theories for canon" part.]
- Drawing fanart that makes certain changes to the characters. Even if the changes are potentially controversial or offensive, such as altering a character's ethnicity or body type. Especially not if the fanart is a "humanized" version of a non-human character. [Can be confused with "the artist has an objective misconception about what the character looks like".]
- Referencing a character with an Ambiguous Gender as either gender, or bringing up gender with a character that dresses as the opposite gender or otherwise has an Ambiguous Gender Identity. [Some people will probably say that you just shouldn't assume a character with an Ambiguous Gender is either gender.]
- Disagreeing politically with most fans. Not even if someone's being bigoted against a large portion of the fanbase (such as homophobia for a work with a large LGBT Fanbase). Any misconceptions from which this bigotry might arise is not a misconception about the work in question. [Kept to emphasize that the misconception has to be about the work.]
- Anything from the list of things that do qualify, if it's not common or severe enough to significantly bother fans of the work every time it comes up. Giving a reason why the misconception is so common is a good way to make sure your example doesn't fall into this (as well as avoiding being a Zero-Context Example). [Maybe a bit redundant with the new trope name, but I think it's worth emphasizing.]
Thoughts?
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I got rid of the clearly subjective items because we agreed that they should go. However, I'm reluctant to delete the entire folder, so I rewrote it a bit instead. I'll see if other tropers think it's worth keeping...
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
TRS voted to rename the trope
to Fandom-Enraging Misconception.
Edit: The TRS link isn't working properly, so here it is in plain text:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1517185545015672100&page=9#comment-203
I've been wondering what happened to all the examples in the "In General" folder for Video Games?
Also, what happened to the Spiderman examples listed under Comic Books?
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The general sections were removed because Examples Are Not General. All examples may get removed in the future. See the cleanup thread.
Yeah, my bad I was the one that added the one in the Anime section mostly because I thought it might a good idea of fandom berserk buttons against the common people. But I admit I was misguided and did not realize that it would open the floodgates for overly generalized examples
"Life's like a movie, write your own ending. Keep believing, keep pretending."-Jim Henson
Imperial Court Mage
Honestly, we should do a more thorough work since
"Don't say you're a fan of *insert show here* to certain people" is the exact opposite of a fandom and calling Anime and Cartoon fans "fandoms" isn't really a justifiable reason.
So yeah Hatedom Berserk Buttons should not be a thing.
"Life's like a movie, write your own ending. Keep believing, keep pretending."-Jim Henson
Imperial Court Mage
"Saying anything positive about Andrew Lloyd Webber at all is guaranteed to get you flamed to death by someone. Conversely, saying anything negative about Stephen Sondheim will produce the same effect, probably from the exact same people."
Umm what is that supposed to mean, it honestly sounds like the writer's Bias Steamroller to me? It would be simpler to just say that the two have a Fandom Rivalry
"Life's like a movie, write your own ending. Keep believing, keep pretending."-Jim Henson
Imperial Court Mage
I think it might make things easier if the bigger examples have to folder one that focus on the community as a whole (such as All Anime Fans or All Western Animation Fans) and another for specific franchises since it might make for easier organization. Either that or I legitimately have OCD
"Life's like a movie, write your own ending. Keep believing, keep pretending."-Jim Henson
- Don't even bother saying whether you think Phoenix is gay or straight. Same goes for Edgeworth. Changes are that you're talking to someone who completely disagrees and will make this known.
- On this point, talking about ships at all will get you a flame war with Ace Attorney. Especially saying that you don't like Phoenix/Edgeworth or Phoenix/Maya.
- Don't even bother saying whether you think Phoenix is gay or straight. Same goes for Edgeworth. Changes are that you're talking to someone who completely disagrees and will make this known.
How sweet it is
Recently, I removed an example that doesn't seem to fit in with this trope, as it was a square peg, so to speak. I thought it would suit better for the general Berserk Button page as the group is too broad. Unfortunately, it's a Real Life example, which was advised against for that page. So where does it go?
The example in question was public transport.
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Keep it off the wiki altogether?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
May have to resort to that, yeah.
In the meantime, the page might need to be checked for other examples that misuse this.
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A weird day is it when moderator doesn't know what to do with example.
I've pulled the RWBY entry to here. I'm active on a number of RWBY forums and I've never seen most of these (I think two are valid and a third may be just about valid). Is there any validity to any of this?
At the very best, this would need rewriting anyway.
- For RWBY, calling the main characters "Red", "White", "Black", and "Yellow" is something you should never do. Their names are "Ruby", "Weiss", "Blake", and "Yang".
- Like with Avatar: The Last Airbender and Legend of Korra, don't call RWBY an anime unless you want the fans to throw you to a pack of Beowolves.
- Interestingly enough, the series is availible on Crunchyroll, a popular anime and Japanese drama platform.
- Speaking of anime, don't ask for RWBY's "original Japanese dub with English subs". The series is made by Americans, so the original dub is the English one, and fans of Rooster Teeth will be displeased by the notion of hating all the heart that went into their voice acting.
- It's best that you don't say that Team CRDL has redeeming qualities or even view them as good guys. Do not say anything good about Adam as well. The only exceptions are Neo, Roman, and possibly Salem. (If you say Cinder did nothing wrong, however, you will beheaded and mutilated.)
- And finally NEVER EVER UNDER ANY FUCKING CIRCUMSTANCES WHAT SO FUCKING EVER try to mention how any of the workers in Rooster teeth are Christians/normal people and will not make lesbian ships canon unless you want to burn.
- Speaking of burning, do not make jokes about the characters that were killed or try to blame one of the characters dying on another character who is a hero unless you want to be Griffon lunch/quartered/burned/murdered and having your family raped and your village burnt.
- Speaking of which, if someone denies Volume 3, do not make them accept reality. (I heard those Bewolves are hungry, you might find Summer in one.)
- Do not do anything to Ruby Rose or else...
- Don't post edgy shit (writting or images). At first people will cry a lot, but they'll soon get sick as fuck, tell you to stop, and accuse you of having mental problems. Soon enough you'll be meeting Roman/Summer.
- And then there's Pyyrha/Prryha/Phhyra/etc. The correct spelling is Pyrrha. If you don't spell it that way, shit willl be quite hot for you.
- Like with Avatar: The Last Airbender and Legend of Korra, don't call RWBY an anime unless you want the fans to throw you to a pack of Beowolves.
My suggested rewrite, based off the only things I've ever seen the fandom get upset about. I'm not sure about the dub entry because the irritation didn't really last long before the fandom turned it into a massive joke. It's more a source of mockery than anger.
- RWBY
- When the show was first created, a group of fans began asking for the "original" Japanese, leading to complaints about how people react to dub works. The fanbase has turn this originally heated reaction into a running gag, especially since Japan is now dubbing the show into Japanese.
- Whether or not the show can be described as an anime can generate a lot of heated debate. It's a western show that borrows very heavily from anime, leading to confusion over its status. Even the show's creators have heard of the argument and try to avoid getting involved.
- Whether or not the show will ever have LBGT characters can cause friction. The creators originally stated that they're up for it, and would want the characters to discover their sexuality in their own time. So far, no characters have been confirmed to be LBGT, making the subject a sensitive one within the fandom.
Dude, I was active on the KYM branch of the FNDM and have seen all these berserk buttons on act upon the FNDM, Hell almost all of them worked, I edited this berserk button out of my own personal experience, You can see many of these in play on KYM's RWBY section just search for any comments Pachirisu made or any Images Faze Nebu, Ernie's quickscoper (Now Malice aurora, Nebu's sanity) uploaded if you want confirmation of said topic, TL;DR Don't fuck with it, I actually have seen this shit, All branches of the FNDM are different and go berserk for different reasons, At least list some as being website/community specific (Hell Pachirisu Over there got banned for this research shit, He sacrificed his account for this, Don't dare lay a finger on it)
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I was wondering why there was only one response, and I just noticed that someone added it all back to the page without contributing to the discussion. I've removed it back to here, with a flag in the edit reason to discuss the entries.
Given the way the entries are written, even if people agree all the entries should stay, they'll need a rewrite anyway. I've put a note on the forum page so hopefully, a wide range of experience can respond to this.
I second pulling it here. They're very poorly written and are borderline Flame Bait, and we only have the anecdotal evidence of one person to say that these are actually true.
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So far, the forum discussion seems to be suggesting just keeping these two (below). I'm going to wait a few days to see what other responses come in. At the moment, it appears to be retaining these two and getting rid of everything else:
- RWBY
- Whether or not the show can be described as an anime can generate a lot of heated debate. It's a western show that borrows very heavily from anime, leading to confusion over its status. Even the show's creators have heard of the argument and try to avoid getting involved.
- Whether or not the show will ever have LBGT characters can cause friction. The creators originally stated that they're up for it, and would want the characters to discover their sexuality in their own time. So far, no characters have been confirmed to be LBGT, making the subject a sensitive one within the fandom.
Thar be flabbergasting!
Where would you put a case where fans of something in one medium takes great offense at something from another medium? An example might be, say, fans of a literature series not liking its movie adaptation.
Am I the only one who thinks this should be a "no examples" page? As it is, it comes off very much as incessant complaining to me.
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I find it mildly amusing because of the sheer lack of self-awareness as to how inane they sound, but yes, it does make the wiki look bad. At the very least, there should be a disclaimer against complaining, because right now, the description seems to be encouraging the kind of attitude that would land you on Fandom Wank.
I just pulled this from the page ("Other" folder) as I cannot tell what it's trying to say.. Leaving it here in case anyone else can see its merit:
- Make sure you give things Brazilian or any other Latin American users want. If you don't, they will responded with anger. Therefore, prepare to be distrusted.
(This is no longer needed since I added the examples here to their respective pages.)
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What does the term FAWK mean? I've never seen that term before, and the word is only used under the video game folder.
- Similarly, it is pronounced Neh-va-duh not Neh-vah-duh.
Can someone who knows clarify this? As written the distinction is a little murky. I assume it's the difference between æ and ɑː (for most Americans, a as in "pass" vs. a as in "father") but as written I can't tell for certain which is meant to be which. There's also no indication of stress, though I suspect it's on the second syllable in both cases.
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Did a little research, and you're right, the "a" in the first pronunciation is meant to sound like that in "bad." Ironically, both pronunciations are etymologically wrong, as the state was named after a Spanish word pronounced subtly differently from both, but closer to the latter (quote-unquote "incorrect") pronunciation. Added more clarification to the example.
Is it just me, but has this drifted from "common mistakes that set fans off" to "anything that sets dedicated fans off".
Because the latter seems to be covered by Internet Backdraft while the former needs its own trope.
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The difference is pure YMMV. I am not sure if I would even try to differentiate.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I'm on the fence about this, but would calling D&D out as satanic qualify as a Fan Berserk Button? I imagine it would get you kicked out of most gaming establishments.
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On a different note, would the whole "sex scene" scandal qualify as a massive example of a Fan Berserk Button being pressed? Just an afterthought.
The moral of this page is, "Fans take the things they like way too seriously."
Also, anyone who thinks punk is centered around the fashion (as the "Fashion" section states) is probably not an actual punk, and is more likely to be into Green Day and blink-182 than Minor Threat and Bad Brains.
How do I title?
Am I the only person who don't get the tattoo part at the end of a Real Life section?
“Sometimes, you just need a lil’ less gun.”
On the subject of the Wii U, would "it's not next-gen" and "it's less powerful than the PS 3 and Xbox 360" count as berserk buttons?
Gannon-Banned and Nerd Rage were merged per TRS.
Could we at least have kept Nerd Rage as a title? I'm really, really starting to hate SPOON.
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Is the title written as "Fando M" to be self-demonstrating?
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Nope. That's just an error in whatever link sent you here — Fandom Berserk Button and Fando M Berserk Button are the same page.
That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
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"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman