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Is there a trope for when a show is an evil counterpart to another show?

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Are there no limitations to characters who can be considered an Evil Counterpart to another? For instance, what if we were to include two characters in the same work who never share a scene together or even mention each other, but otherwise fit the bill of being similar characters with an inclination towards heroism and villainy, respectively?

I found a possible page image for the Literature section. http://i.imgur.com/7RNrhKd.jpg?1 It's Sherlock Holmes and Moriarty fighting at Reichenbach Falls.

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Shouldn't the Designated Hero be the evil counterpart to the Designated Villain?

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• Femme Fatale is the evil counterpart of The Ingenue.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

"The Extremist Was Right is the evil counterpart Well-Intentioned Extremist."

Wouldn't the inverse be true?

Well-Intentioned Extremist is usually an anti-villain archetype, where as The Extremist Was Right is usually an anti-hero archetype. Basically, the Well-Intentioned Extremist could be called "The Extremist Isn't Right".

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Here are some examples removed recently- and the example that was put in their place.

• Alpha Bitch is the evil counterpart of The Pollyanna.
• Alpha Bitch is the evil counterpart of Lovable Alpha Bitch and Spoiled Sweet.

Alpha Bitch have nothing in common with The Pollyanna

• Being Evil Sucks and This Is Your Brain on Evil are both evil counterparts of Being Good Sucks.
• Being Good Sucks and This Is Your Brain on Evil are both evil counterparts of Being Evil Sucks.

Being Good Sucks is a goodness trope and Being Evil Sucks is a evil trope.

• Pragmatic Villain is the evil counterpart of Pragmatic Hero.
• Pragmatic Villain is the evil counterpart of Heroic Neutral.

Pragmatic Villain and Heroic Neutral have absolutely nothing in common.

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• Jerkass is the evil counterpart of Nice Guy

Jerkass is not the counterpart to Nice Guy but merely their opposite.

• Pluto is a superpowered robot who blindly follows the orders of a corrupt master he doesn't even care about instead of developing his own will like Astro did.
• Denko became a criminal due to being raised by the gangster Skunk Kusai, rather than having the loving friends & family that Astro did.
• The Blue Knight highlights differing attitudes toward discrimination. While Astro fights for a world where humans & robots can live together, BK has completely lost faith in humanity & wants to build a robot Zion at any cost.
• The Joker is also somewhat of an Evil Counterpart as while Batman uses planning and logic to fight for law and order, The Joker spreads anarchy through random acts of violence.
• On a more contemporary level, the main trio have "shadow" counterparts in Slytherin (the first two are confirmed by Word of God):
  • Harry (orphaned, unloved by his only living relatives, brave) and Draco Malfoy (has parents, spoiled, cowardly)
  • Hermione Granger (smart, unselfconscious, loves all her friends) and Pansy Parkinson (shallow, vain, only has eyes for Draco)
  • Ron Weasley (poor, outgoing, large family) and Blaize Zabini (wealthy, very aloof, only child with a great deal of missing father figures either because his mother is a "black widow" or Himawari-chan)

• Aladdin arguably had a Evil Counterpart in the form of Mozenrath. He dresses richly and is very pale, as opposed to the tanned and poorly outfitted Aladdin. Another opposite is in method, with the physically weak though highly intelligent Mozenrath employing magic and extensive arcane knowledge as opposed to Aladdin's physical prowess and ability to cleverly adapt.
  • Had Mozenrath's voice actor not been Unavailable at the time, the Third Aladdin Movie would have revolved around Mozenrath being revealed as Aladdin's long lost brother
  • Zuko himself originally served as the Evil Counterpart to Aang. The two were literally Red Oni, Blue Oni, with Aang leading his life by his Nakama and hope while Zuko was pessimistic and hoped for honor. Various episodes from the first 2 seasons even played to this by having Zuko and Aang face similar predicaments.

Evil Counterpart means "evil similar" not "evil opposite".

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I'm the one who put that Bigger Bad is the counterpart to Big Good, but I'm starting to wonder if I'm mistaken. I suppose if the Bigger Bad were a distant, unseen person who lead the other bad guys from behind the scenes, he/she could be equivalent to the Big Good, but apparently the Bigger Bad could also be a force. Can the Big Good be an impersonal force? I suspect this should be changed, but I'm not sure what to change it to.

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Would the 2p designs of Axis Powers Hetalia count as a fandom example? They apparently aren't meant to be evil, but the fandom tends to portray them as Darker and Edgier polar opposites of their original-color selves.

For the Tropes Counterparts, shouldn't Fallen Hero be the Evil counterpart to Redeemed Villian?

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I feel like the main description should mention how an Evil Counterpart can sometimes be The Dragon and or some other kind of Muscle to a Mad Scientist or some other Brian rather then Brawn villain Big Bad or Arch-Enemy. Faith (I'm surprised Buffy and Faith mentioned here) becomes The Mayor's. Shadow was this for Robonick originally, though Shadow was a Dragon with an Agenda

Bass and Treble are this to Dr.Willy against Megaman and Rush. I realize that in origin he seems like nothing more then an Evil Knock Off, but he has sufficiency been given individual characterization. Willy is definitely a Counterpart to Light, him having Bass completes that.

There is no Video Game folder here, even thought the page Picture clearly identifies Wario and Waluigi as Textbook examples? In some ways I think this Trope is it's most common in Video Game, they love to the make player hypothetical fight himself. Would Dark Link be this or one of the Sister Tropes?

I just noticed some Video Game examples are under literature, while under Literature both Saruman and Gollum are lacking, like many Trope Tolkien deals with those are arguably the Codifiers.

An additional note to Code Geass is I consider Kallen Suzaku's counterpart.

Kane was originally an Evil C Ounterpart to The Undertaker. Though they had a tendency to both team up and switch sides.

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• Thematically, the Necrons and the Tyranids. Necrons are mechanical skeletons hell bent on harvesting souls for their C'Tan gods (at least, before the retcon in the recent codex), are an antithesis to psykers and psychic powers, long lived and self-repairing. Tyranids, on the other hand, are completely biological in nature (even their starships and guns are made of living organisms). They are a highly psychic race, with a gestalt hive mind which is the linked consciousness of all the creatures and are extremely short lived (so much so that many tyranids are born without digestive tracts, they're expected to die before they starve). Gameplay wise, Tyranids are consummate close combat specialist while Necrons rely heavily on their arsenal of long-ranged weapons (which are some of the best, aside from the Tau).

Square Peg Trope. Evil Counterpart description: "A character who chose to do evil, and has/had abilities and obstacles similar to the protagonist's. Sometimes, but not always, a Big Bad."

411314, why you believes Light Is Not Good is Evil Counterpart to Dark Is Evil? Why you believes Villain Protagonist is the Evil Counterpart to Hero Antagonist? Why you believes Villain Antagonist is the Evil Counterpart to Hero Protagonist and why you believes Dark Is Not Evil is the Evil Counterpart to Light Is Good? Say me, please.

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• Fiamma of the Right is even more of an evil counterpart to Touma. Both of their powers come from their right hands, but while Touma's negates things, Fiamma's gives him any powers he wants. Touma is an atheist but wants to protect people, Fiamma is Holier Than Thou and wants to Kill All Humans.

• Agent Smith in The Matrix becomes Neo's evil counterpart. Smith is a cold machine program while Neo is an emotional human. Neo is "The One" while Smith is "The Many". Neo begins to understand the machines

Evil Counterpart means "evil similar" not "evil opposite"

• Gouda and Kuze are the main antagonists of the season and they are each other opposites in almost every way: Gouda is a terribly disfigured government agent who always dresses in black and tries to create a better society for Japan by working within the official government institutions and keeping a very low profile while secretly manipulating events from the shadows. Kuze is a cyborg in an incredibly handsome srtificial body and always wears white, and tries to create a better society by becomming a terrorist and defeating the corrupt government by raising public support and highly visible attacks on the state. In fact, Gouda manipulated Kuze to become the polar opposite of him to do the things Gouda couldn't do himself.

  • Father also seems to be an evil counterpart to Truth- his black Living Shadow true form contrasting with Turth's shape as a white outline of whoever he's talking to.

• Also, there's Sousuke and Leonard. Heck, there are illustrations of them back-to-back, which are definitely made to show them contrasting and being opposite counterparts. Personality-wise, they're opposites. Sousuke is quiet, very unambitious, straight-forward, and frank to the point of being endearing. Leonard is (much more) talkative, has grandiose plans, and is very manipulative. Sousuke is an inexperienced, chaste virgin, and Leonard... to put it nicely, is most definitely not a virgin, and knows a lot more about sex. And physical appearance-wise, they are shown to have opposite colors, but still have similarities. For example, their height back-to-back is the same, they are both described numerous times to be the spitting image of their gorgeous mothers, but they have contrasting hair colors (dark hair and white hair) and contrasting outfit colors.

• The Real Six Funeral Wreaths all fit this quite well. Byakuran is the Magnificent Bastard to Tsuna's Woobie Messiah. Kikyou is the reliable leader to Hibari's aloof and unreliable nature. Daisy being melancholic and depressed is the opposite to Ryohei. Torikabuto is loyal and trustworthy in sharp contrast to Mukuro's untrustworthy and treacherous personality. Zakuro is extremely laid back while Gokudera is very Hot-Blooded. Bluebell is impulsive and selfish while Yamamoto is rational and compassionate. Ghost comes from anther dimension while Lambo is a time traveler.

• Fate Testarossa from Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha openly invoked this trope when she first appeared complete with blood-red eyes, a Stripperiffic black leather getup (as opposed to Nanoha's conservative white dress), Sinister Scythe to match (compared to unusually large pink and white wand/staff), and a fearsome foxlike creature at least as big as she is for a familiar (note the talking ferret).

Evil Counterpart means "evil similar" not "evil opposite".