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Mar 22nd 2021 at 7:29:29 AM •••

Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Shouldn't we be listing examples of characters?, started by captainpat on Nov 1st 2011 at 6:15:29 PM

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XFllo There is no Planet B Since: Aug, 2012

There is no Planet B

Feb 13th 2019 at 4:27:59 PM •••

I removed this trope (English Rose) from the character sheet of Hamlet. See Characters.Hamlet.

I am convinced that Ophelia doesn't fit this trope. We have discussed it to hell and back. This character must be from England or from a Counterpart Fantasy Culture that is based on England. Ophelia is a young lady from Denmark.

English Rose: She's Danish, but since this is Shakespeare, she usually gets played this way. Until her descent into madness, of course.

Plus this is a Zero-Context Example.

I apologize for the budding edit war on the character subpage. It was not my intention and I honestly haven't realized that I had deleted this example not that long ago.

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XFllo Since: Aug, 2012

Feb 13th 2019 at 4:32:34 PM •••

See also discussions:

(edit: The links don't work — perhaps a bug? — but if you copy-paste the address, you'll find the threads.)

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OrangeKyle91 Lord of Ostia Since: Nov, 2009

Lord of Ostia

Jul 15th 2014 at 3:57:33 PM •••

Amusing irony: the first companion of New Doctor Who, despite being an English woman named Rose, is not an English Rose.

Meems Since: Jan, 2001

Jun 23rd 2011 at 4:38:11 PM •••

Why are all the examples here actresses who have played this trope, and not characters that fit it?

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Antheia (Before Recorded History)

Jul 13th 2011 at 9:11:08 AM •••

Well, the page is on the Actors index. Still, I agree — there seems to be some confusion around this trope. I keep seeing wordings like "this type of character is often also an English Rose" or (in this page's description) "An English Rose is a nostalgic idea of a beautiful young English lady. She is virtuous and possesses a certain type of modest beauty, and is portrayed by an actress of a certain type."

Webby Since: Dec, 2010

Nov 1st 2011 at 12:23:20 PM •••

That's being discussed in the Trope Repair Shop now.

Actually a girl.

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