I would like to propose adding a section for Cullen's experience in Orlais in Dragon Age: Inquisition, where he's sexually harassed by Orlesian nobility and it's played for comedy, and only Cole seems to realize that this experience is genuinely traumatizing for him.
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Would this example from Please Turn Over fit the page? — Mrs. Moore wrestles Dr. Manners to the ground and kisses him while he tells her to stop, which is all Played for Laughs.
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Why is this locked but the other double standard rape pages are not?
South Park: Averted in "Stupid Spoiled Whore Video Playset". All of the boys (sans Cartman, who wasn't invited), even Kenny, are clearly very uncomfortable with what the girls to do them at the sex party, and this is not Played for Laughs at all.
Lu127 just wondering how is a series in which this trope is a major part of Gakuen Ouji, considered a non example, I saw several other valid examples deleted in the history section but this seems but I deferred to you because of your status. yet this one is just to big a part of the series to delete, and i think it should be restored
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None of those examples say Double Standard, i.e. the story treating females raping a male as an okay action or funny. Not the way they were written at least, which is why they were deleted during the cleanup. Females raping a male is not an example of this trope.
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An example for Live-Action TV.
- Game of Thrones: This happens so much that it's almost a reccuring theme. Multiple times, the show has made it clear that male victims of sexual abuse are not taken seriously, or that it isn't nearly as bad as a woman being raped. This would usually count as Deliberate Values Dissonance, but the fact that the characters often spout progressive ideas in the later seasons, but still have this outlook, implies that the writers think the same thing.
- Gendry calls out Beric and Thoros for selling him to Melisandre, who raped him and planned on sacrificing him. A teenager. Not only do they brush this off, but Sandor mocks Gendry for complaining and says his rape "sounds alright". Apparently, the fact that he wasn't killed makes it okay, even though he only survived because Davos helped him escape.
- In Season 8, Gendry tells Arya about how Melisandre forcibly had sex with him, and she reacts more like a girl jealous of her crush having sex with someone else, and offers him no sympathy. Then she initiates sex with him. If a male character ever did this after being told that a woman was raped, let's just say it wouldn't go well.
- Theon is forcibly aroused by Myranda so that Ramsay can castrate him. It is never brought up as sexual assault, and even viewers didn't seem to recognize it as rape. Compare the fan reaction to Cersei's rape in Season 4 to this, and you get this trope both in and out of universe.
- Margaery seduces a 12 year old Tommen in a way that would be extremely creepy if the roles were reversed. Later on, she happily has sex with him on their wedding night. Contrast this with Tyrion's wedding to Sansa (a 14 year old), and how he refused to have sex with her even if she was willing.
Literature
- In Kathasaritsagara by Shaivite Somadeva, Madanavega, a male vidyadhara (demigod), sleeps with Princess Kalingasena by turning into another man on whom she has a crush. Though it's still treated way more lightly than an overt case of rape and gets Easily Forgiven, it's shown to be a traumatic experience for Kalingasena who cries bitterly after finding out and feels Defiled Forever. But when Naravahanadatta, Kalingasena's son-in-law, is tricked the same way by the sorceress Vegavati who turns into his missing beloved wife Madanamanchuka, he shrugs it off immediately, while Vegavati feels guilty about falling in love with her friend Madanamanchuka's husband, but not about the Bed Trick itself.
This actually happens with Carter in ER twice – once in season 1 as it's mentioned on the page, and again in the season 8 episode Secrets and Lies where he (somewhat reluctantly) tells his coworkers that he lost his virginity when he was 11 to a woman who was in her 20s. It is not discussed as extensively as the incident in season 1, but other characters briefly joke about it and are impressed rather than concerned. Since ER does on multiple occasions seriously discuss sexual abuse in instances where the abuser is a man, it seems pretty clear that the reason it's portrayed as funny in this case is because Carter is male and his abuser was female.
Under the Literature folder, there's a dead link as a result of a typo. Fangs Of Kaath should be The Fangs of K'aath.
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Shad Brooks, aka Shadiversity, just released a video about Wonder Woman 1984 where he talks about how Wondie apparently rapes a man. I was wondering, as i've not seen the film myself, if the scene should be added as an example. Here is a link to Shad's video for further context. Also, yes, spoilers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bncCt5PYD9g
It's more Double Standard: Rape, Sci-Fi. The genders aren't relevant so much as the fact that that the man in question is being possessed by another dude.
The work just treats the possessed man as the dude in question without considering the potential ickiness there.
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I think this trope page needs an image (if I could edit this page I'd recommend a screencap from the South Park episode Miss Teacher Bangs a Boy, since it discusses this trope well)
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Live Action TV:
- The Nanny: Near the end of one episode, it is revealed that Mr Sheffield is suffering from Easy Amnesia following a head injury, and Niles has convinced him that he is the butler and sleeping with Fran. Fran leading him upstairs for sex (and him regaining his memory just before the act) is treated as a minor joke to end the show, with Mr Sheffield even apologing to Fran for losing control of himself, despite the fact that she was the one taking advantage of him. Especially noticeable as in another episode, Fran lost her memory and believed she was Mrs Sheffield, and Maxwell refusing her advances was depicted as the morally correct thing to do.
Seems like a valid example, but how long is that The Stinger?!?
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One for the Fanfiction section:
- In the Empath: The Luckiest Smurf story "The Other Smurfette", Hogatha as a female Smurf named Wonderette takes Empath out on a moonlight walk where they go to a private place and just kiss, but Empath realizes that Wonderette wants to have sex with him and refuses to go along with it. Wonderette uses her magic powers to strip Empath of his clothes and have him lie naked and spread-eagled on the ground so that she cound mount him and rape him. Later, to cover her tracks, Wonderette has Empath accused of raping her instead so that Empath would be vilified. This was played for drama.
Some other possible examples:
- In the last arc of Runaways, Nico casts a spell on Klara and Chase to render them both passive (as Klara's powers had gone haywire and were a danger to the team, and Chase kept threatening to beat her, which was obviously not helpful.) While the spell is still in effect, Nico forces herself on Chase and, it's implied, has sex with him, ostensibly to calm him down. While the story treats it seriously, with Chase later being so disgusted with Nico that he quits the team, subsequent appearances treat it as though it was just an unfortunate hookup.
- One episode of The Drew Carey Show centers around Drew revealing to his friends that he had sex with his music teacher when he was in high school, only to discover that the same music teacher had sex with a whole legion of other students. The series treats her as a comically dirty old woman rather than a serial child molester.
I want to add something to the 40 Days and 40 Nights entry;
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Need to add another one for Star Trek: Voyager. In portions of the third season episode "Blood Fever", B'Elanna Torres—who has been partially afflicted by Vorik's pon farr—makes increasingly aggressive sexual overtures at Tom Paris. Paris explicitly states he can't give in, as he feels once she's cured she won't forgive herself, or him, if he does. The recap page I linked explains it a bit, but I think it's worth noting here as well, potentially even as a Discussed trope.
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Another Friends example. It's revealed that Ross made out with his high school librarian, and the rest of the gang mock him for it (because she was an elderly lady). The thought of a woman in an authority position taking advantage of a teenage boy would be very different if the genders were flipped.
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Shimoneta: A Boring World Where the Concept of Dirty Jokes Doesn't Exist I'm not entirely sure if this one fits, but it's not taken very seriously at least. So yeah...
Yes, if possible I'd like to add yet another Star Trek example.
In the Star Trek: Voyager, episodeProphecy we get another bizarre case. Harry Kim is "chosen" as a mate by a burly Klingon female who's significantly larger and stronger than him. Kim makes it clear he has no interest in a relationship, expresses extreme fear of the woman, and even winds up being stalked, but nobody seems to take the matter with any degree of seriousness. Things reach a particularly uncomfortable point when Harry goes to sick bay with bite-marks, indicating abuse, and is given a grossly inappropriate response the audience is meant to find amusing.
- Harry: One of the Klingons attacked me. Doctor: (concerned) Did you do something to provoke him? Harry: Not him, her. And she wasn't provoked, she was... aroused. Doctor: (amused) Ahhh. I'm not surprised. I've studied the section on Klingon mating rituals in the cultural database. Harry: Then maybe you can tell me how to convince a female twice my size that I'm not interested? Doctor: You probably can't. As I understand it, you have two options: kill her or mate with her. Since the first option is unacceptable... (hands Kim a form) Harry: What's this? Doctor: Authorization for you to engage in intimate relations with an alien species.
In the mythology section it mentions the way sex was seen differently inn ancient Greece. Then says that the spartans had sex with young proteges. This is common misunderstanding as far as I have read (honestly not too much).
" "The customs instituted by Lycurgus were opposed to all of these. If someone, being himself an honest man, admired a boy's soul and tried to make of him an ideal friend without reproach and to associate with him, he approved, and believed in the excellence of this kind of training. But if it was clear that the attraction lay in the boy's outward beauty, he banned the connexion as an abomination; and thus he caused lovers to abstain from boys no less than parents abstain from sexual intercourse with their children and brothers and sisters with each other." "
" The Spartans practiced pederasty strictly for its religious and military aspects. The mentor was given the place of foster father. At least since the time of their greatest lawgiver Lycurgus, any sexual relations between the men required they either commit suicide or go into exile to redeem the affront to Sparta's honor (Aelian). "
Perhaps it should be rewrote to mention Athens which has a more definite history of pederasty?
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I almost wonder if that example shouldn't be cut altogether. It's vague, broad, wanders all over the place, and fails to establish a double standard in which the rape of a woman by a man is seen as horrific while the rape of a man by a woman is seen as humorous.
These examples need to be removed because they are not illustrating a double standard at all.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Is there a specific trope when the story doesn't subscribe to this trope but the in-universe characters do?
Say, a story about a male who was raped and treated as per this trope by other characters, but the narrative showing exactly the after effects and how seriously it impacted his life? Or is it just an In-Universe example?
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The Trope Finder is a better place to ask for such things, IMO.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I think that would probably be considered an aversion (or possibly subversion, if the audience is lead to believe that the matter will be treated lightly by the narrative and then have their expectation subverted) of this trope. It could be considered a straight example In-Universe as well, if the characters treat the victim's suffering lightly but treat a comparable female victim's experience as Serious Business.
The Orion 'pheromone' example is a bit iffy. Humans attract each other with pheromones too, it is part of basically every sexual activity in the world. I think we may have a larger problem because I don't think we can conclusively place stuff like the pheromones in the same category as GHB (date rape drugs) and exclude them from the category of a good-looking, fit body (natural attractors). I think the difference between these too is that the attraction is artificially induced in the former and naturally produced in the latter.
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Even that doesn't entirely work as a distinction, because plastic surgery is an artificial enhancement to a natural attractor (in theory, anyway), and so is corsetry etc.. A better distinction would be that date rape drugs greatly reduce the target's ability to rationally overrule their desires and wasn't deliberately taken for that effect (as alcohol, ecstasy, etc. sometimes are), whereas natural attractors don't work anywhere near as effectively.
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In the Buffy examples, why was the one about Faith sexually assaulting Xander removed?
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... that doesn't make sense. It's still a double standard, considering how it portrayed compared to Sthe Spike-on-Buffy NRE.
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I'm not sure the Greek Mythology example belongs here. It seems to be more of Values Dissonance where rape isn't veiwed as something wrong at all, rather than this trope where women can get away with it while men can't.
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Can we add a redirect from Rape is Ok if it is Female on Male to this trope?
Could be [[Invincible]] an example of this? There's a scene where the main character, Mark, is abused by a female warrior who wants his seed. When he comes back to his home, he's devastated and inmediatelly tell to his wife. She is ENRAGED at first, until she realizes that his husband was the victim of a rape and that he indeed fought against her.
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