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LeonEvelake Since: Apr, 2013
Jun 16th 2020 at 11:57:36 PM •••

The Vinland Saga section states "Thorfinn has no problem with his comrades raping women, though he doesn't personally join in." Thats not accurate as in both versions the comic and animated series Thorfinn is visibly disgusted not that he does anything about it while with Askelads band.

The entry should at least be tweaked

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DaibhidC Wizzard Since: Jan, 2001
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Aug 14th 2012 at 2:04:10 PM •••

  • As the series has gone on, Pratchett has slowly worked more and more of his real-world views into the series. The end result is that what was accepted as deliberate values dissonance in previous books is suddenly and jarringly depicted as always being bad in later ones.

Examples? All the examples given are ones where the dissonant values were pretty much always presented as a bad thing (the wizards in ER are misogynistic jerks; the first time the idea that female dwarfs shouldn't (as opposed to simply don't) be openly female gets mentioned is when Cheery heroically rebels against it, etc.) On the other hand, the idea that in troll culture hitting someone over the head with a rock is a friendly greeting is still portrayed as entirely reasonable, as long as you're doing it to another troll.

Edited by DaibhidC
Felius Since: Jan, 2001
Sep 3rd 2011 at 4:58:43 PM •••

Should we comment on the two forms this trope take, that is, the poor excuse to showcase reprehensible opinions a la FATAL (example deliberately chosen to avoid flame wars), and the actual attempt to make a different culture that the author might not agree to, but find interesting to write about (or is an interesting setting to play in, or etc. ).

We probably should just mention it exists, but let to the reader to decide which is which, to avoid flame and edit wars, as other than extreme cases such as FATAL, it's better to avoid it, unless it's an actual historic setting where the author simply failed in the research.

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