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TT454 Since: May, 2014
Jun 24th 2014 at 10:50:28 AM •••

Sorry, but I have to make a complaint here. This article really gives me bad vibes. According to this article, if you dare dislike death metal, and consider it a bad genre of music, you're a "Moral Guardian" who is "ignorant" of how much talent it takes to make it. This article tries to make the statement that this genre is "universally endearing" and beyond criticism, and if you don't like it, you SHOULD like it, because it's "misunderstood". Sorry, but this assertion is completely off the mark. This isn't an article, it's an opinion piece that looks as though it was written by some fiercely devoted death metal patriot who cannot stand the idea of people disliking a genre of music like this.

I'm not going to deny that death metal musicians are talented. They certainly are great at doing what they can do. But, that doesn't automatically make this genre impossible to criticize. It doesn't mean that people who dislike it are ignorant of it, or have the mindset of a Moral Guardian. In my opinion, death metal IS an unlistenably noisy and overindulgent genre, and the highly gory lyrics and album covers completely turn me off. That doesn't make me a Moral Guardian. Believe it or not, it's perfectly normal to find growled, manic songs about people slicing up bodies and eating the insides atrocious. To me, any song like that fails. That's an opinion. I'm allowed to have it.

And about the talent, it honestly does not matter how talented the musicians are, the resulting music can still sound abysmal to many people. The most talented guitarist in the world can still make a bad song, purely by making a ten-minute mess of endless solos for example. I personally judge a song by how good it sounds, not by whether or not the musicians can play it extremely fast speeds and sing unconventionally.

The article should not look down upon people who think differently, but it does. This article, in my honest opinion, is the pinnacle of the opinionated-ness that plagues so much of this website. I'm thinking of re-writing it so it's neutral.

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sharkcrap11 Since: Dec, 2010
Sep 25th 2015 at 6:14:16 PM •••

But you have biases of your own- shouldn't whoever re-writes is neutrally (which is fine by me, btw) be, y'know, neutral...?

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sharkcrap11 A Guy from a Place Since: Dec, 2010
A Guy from a Place
Sep 24th 2015 at 11:17:20 PM •••

Minor thing here, but the band pages linked from here don't sow the Death Metal index at the bottom. This problem's found on a few other music-genre-related pages, too. I'll bring it up in the discussion pages for those if/when I find 'em... :/

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Sep 25th 2015 at 12:31:44 AM •••

This page was not set to do indexing. It now is.

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sharkcrap11 Since: Dec, 2010
Sep 25th 2015 at 6:12:11 PM •••

Aha, okay. I always assumed merely having the "index" and "/index" tags did the trick- guess not... :P Thanks.

Edited by sharkcrap11 If at first ya don't succeed, try a bit more, then give up or cheat... ;) -Myself Nothing can stop me now! -Piggy by Nine Inch Nails
MasterInferno It's Like Arguing on the Internet Since: Dec, 2009
It's Like Arguing on the Internet
Sep 8th 2015 at 5:12:48 PM •••

Should we add death n' roll to the list of subgenres? It's mentioned a couple of times on the page already but not really described at all.

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Lordnecronus '''[[red:dOOOOM]]''' Since: Sep, 2009
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Jul 12th 2010 at 4:44:15 PM •••

Two minor points I'd like to bring up:

1. I've been listening to Incantation's Onward to Golgotha, and it's occured to me that the album could be categorised as "death/doom". So, I'm thinking of placing Incantation in death/doom; if I could get away with putting Autopsy there, why not Incantation? They've also been described as one of the early innovators of death/doom.

2. A bit of unusual thinking on my part, but what if I added Katatonia to blackened death metal? Their early material is mainly death/doom, but has a very noticeable black metal influence, strong enough IMO for them to be considered blackened death metal.

Nothing too controversial, so I probably don't need to bring them up on the talk page, but I'd like to see if anyone agrees with me before I make the changes.

Edited by Lordnecronus last.fm | RYM
72.222.203.191 Since: Dec, 1969
Jun 5th 2010 at 7:33:36 PM •••

Waking the Cadaver isnt Slam Death. They are deathcore

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Lordnecronus Since: Sep, 2009
Jun 6th 2010 at 4:14:50 AM •••

They've been removed a couple of times, but I've readded them because I feel they qualify as both.

Since you've taken it to the talk page, however, I say we discuss it further. What is your argument for them not being slam death?

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Lordnecronus Since: Sep, 2009
Jun 30th 2010 at 2:40:33 AM •••

Bump. Waking the Cadaver have been contested again, along with Distorted Impalement and Ingested, two bands that I haven't listened to (I wanted to avoid listening to the bands on the slam death metal list because, to be frank, I think slam sucks).

I would still like to hear the argument for these three bands not being slam. Simply saying "it's deathcore not slam" isn't good enough.

EDIT: Just listened to Ingested and Distorted Impalement, unfortunately. Ingested is slam, with some -core elements; I can't tell whether Distorted Impalement qualifies as either deathcore or slam.

Edited by Lordnecronus last.fm | RYM
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