Discussion Main / DaydreamBeliever

There's an example under the "Anime and Manga" section that says that "[this trope] is depressingly common the Hetalia fandom", but the example doesn't elaborate on that, at all.

Not only does this one not specify what exactly it is that the fandom apparently believes is real, but I haven't encountered any fan that actually thinks the personifications of these countries exist (if that is what this example is trying to say). I'm not saying they don't exist, but this example acts like it's a widespread phenomenon, but it really doesn't seem to be in the 4 years or so that I've been in this fandom.

"A depressing number of My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic fans believe Equestria and the Mane Six are real and that they can go there."

Um, can I say Opinion Myopia? That is clearly an anti-brony trying to shoehorn his hate into this trope. Also, fanfic material =/= actual belief.

"that does not mean that everything it is possible to imagine exists somewhere" Yes it does. Basically, thanks to virtual particles, any possible configuration of matter and energy, however nigh-impossibly unlikely, can come into existence at any time. If the multiverse is infinite, it gives rise to all possible configurations of space-time, including fictional ones, _including_ ones we would perceive as contradictory.

This page is kind of a mess of Real-Life and fictional examples mixed into one. Feels like they should be separated into two sections, or a separate page.

EDIT: More specifically- there's plenty of examples of fictional characters fitting this trope (Jay Gatsby, Don Quixote, those superhero characters from Fallout 3), enough to make a page for, but each section is littered with examples from the real-life fandoms of a given work. Most of these RL examples aren't even that good, now that I look at it, they're mostly tactless, sarcastic Take Thats against specific people or fandoms.

Not to mention that the description is bogged down with needlessly complex analysis of different "types" of Daydream Believers that barely even get used in the entries. Half of it is needlessly complex categorization, and the other half is a jumbled, long-winded explanation of the real-life psychology behind it.

I'd say this trope needs a major overhaul. More concise description, separation of RL examples from fictional ones, and a cleanup of the more derogatory RL entries.

Deleted the following from Comic Books:

" ** Yes, but he's also claimed to have gotten his talent by beating the devil up for his lunch money. It's probably safe to say that he's just like that."

Reason: To the best of my knowledge, Alan Moore himself has never claimed that. The "beating the devil up" bit is in fact a joke in the bottom margin of this Something*Positive strip. (That comic was in fact cited on this wiki's Alan Moore page, but again, clearly as a joke.)

The paragraph:

"Psychologists generally believe that the persons are fragments of the whole personality that have been forcibly fragmented due to extreme trauma and that they should be "cured" by integrating the persons. "

Should be removed, being completely opposite to both the wills of most patients and doctors. Attempting to "Integrate" is something psychologists avoid due to the generally unpleasant response from the patient, as "Integration" is often a massive fear of alters. The trauma explanation is also highly debated, and currently inconclusive. To point, this is erroneous and should be removed.

If every work of fiction is reality somewhere then every reality is a work of fiction somewhere. IF (and that's a big if) that's true then everything you can imagine and everything you can't is reality somewhere and everything happens at some point somewhere everywhere all the time , but if in one reality someone found a way to destroy all other universes why are we still here it has to happen because the universes are infinite so everything happened and yet we are still here.

This Troper is generally deprecated now— should sub-entries of that form be stripped away from the page? (They're kind of Troper Tales-esque stuff anyway...)

You know, this was exactly what I thought! I even have a theory that's like The Multiverse, but more Kingdom Hearts-oriented. It's a concept called the Story Crew, an organization that exists in a universe where every piece of fiction is real and take place in many worlds. Here, the Story Crew chronicles the 'adventures' in the many worlds and transmit it to the people who we (think we) know as the creators (e.g. movie producers and literature authors) in the form of dreams and ideas, editing out the parts where they take part. As for Fan Fiction, there exist universes with that. Please follow the link for more information.

Could someone tell me why this isn't considered to be an example of the trope?

• The Real Ghost Busters used metaphysics to explain how ghosts of Sherlock Holmes, Dr. Watson, and Dr. Moriarty showed up in New York City. Apparently, enough daydream believers will actually give rise to the characters through "belief made manifest."
  Egon: Even though there was never a real Sherlock Holmes, millions of fans believe in him.
  Ray: Right! The London post office gets thousands of letters every year addressed to Sherlock Holmes.
  Peter: Well, this is just great! I mean, who are we going to be fighting next, Darth Vader?

We will be dropping the take thats against religion. Trying to shoehorn belief in an unknowable article of faith into a trope entry about belief in works that are explicitly fiction is a clear Take That! and it doesn't belong. And it won't be coming back.