Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: It Has No Examples
, started by chihuahua0 on Feb 22nd 2011 at 11:49:20 PM
I have yet another character who isn't a Kuudere, because he's to much of a Shrinking Violet. But once you warm up to him (Bonus Points for that being a pun on his powers), he becomes more friendly and gregarious.
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How come this doesn't have any examples? Shouldn't there have been any when the page was started?
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It can't have any examples now, since it's a fanspeak page.
"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
This in spite of the fact that there are many character sheets that list this as a trope, and not just anime characters. This character type is seen in various media, and yet this page is passed off as "Oh, no it's not a trope; just some Gratuitous Japanese that the weeaboos pass around". I really don't understand...
Because it is far too close to Sugar-and-Ice Personality, almost indistinguishable. And the character sheets shouldn't be using it as a trope. Feel free to remove.
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I don't see how they're "indistinguishable". A Kuudere need not be shy at all; they can be snarky, cutting, aggressive, and so on, in their "Ice" side. A Dandere simply clams up when they don't feel comfortable, which I wouldn't call "Icy" by any means.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Can we add some examples? The trope's not identical to Shrinking Violet by any means.
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Please do. There are many examples of dandere especially in video games.
Say it in red! "People die when they are killed."
Can we pretty please get someone to talk to the people who locked this page and ask if they can consider revising it? To call this just an anime fanspeak term is asinine!
How is this just a fanspeak term, and not a trope? I have a character who fits this trope. She's a Hot-Blooded (if a bit socially inappropriate) Genki Girl around her close friends, but around people or places she isn't familiar with, she becomes a shy, socially-awkward Shrinking Violet.
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What if this was someone who just didn't talk, at all, when she first meets people. Those around her start to get the notion she's a Cute Mute. Then, once she gets to know these people, she starts talking. Would that be considered a Dandere?
Is this trope actually necessary? Everything in it is either contained in Kuudere or Shrinking Violet.
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I'm pretty sure it isn't. There's some muff in the archived discussion about how there was some discussion on the forum that it's needed because it's a Japanese term, but I disagree vehemently. It's pretty much the same as those aforementioned tropes.
I think there is a distinction between a kuudere and a dandere. A dandere is generally antisocial and a loner who displays little emotion but is eventually encouraged to open up. A kuudere is distant and aloof but really has emotions they rarely let out. The difference is the kuudere is more prone to snark and cynicism, and will express her negative feelings. The dandere has problem showing any emotion at all and will not snark. Also the dandere will finally act more like a normal person when they open up without reservation, but a kuudere will generally be embarrassed when encouraged to show genuine emotion beyond what they're used to.
I say keep it and expand it with more examples.
I see that our Tsundere page contains subtypes; might this work better as a Kuudere subtype? This seems way more specific than the other -dere types.
I think we might have a hard time sorting examples out from the generic Emotionless Girl type.
Having firsthand experience with a dandere, I think I can elaborate.
Unlike a kuudere, a dandere actually replies when talked to. Of course, in some cases, the kuudere will reply but will add negative comments to what he/she says. Unlike the Shrinking Violet as well, a dandere does not show his/her shyness when being talked to. If you talk to him/her in a straight manner, her or she will respond in a normal, straight manner. Also different from the Emotionless Girl, because the dandere does show emotion, just to the right people. Closer maybe to Emotion Repressed.
A dandere will be more or less a normal person, but, will not talk unless spoken to/required to. He/she will avoid talking because of his/her shyness, but if need be, he/she will speak. Also, a dandere tends to feel more power in numbers. If he/she is with a group that he/she is comfortable with, then the shyness factor of said dandere will very likely decrease if another unfamiliar person is introduced at that time.
The closest example I can think of is Nagisa, from Clannad. Yeah, she did open up to Tomoya at the beginning, but he's pretty much the only person she opened up to that she didn't really have to in the first place (the rest were only to get more Drama Club members). This is further reinforced in the Visual Novel wherein if you choose another girl's route she will do her drama club thing all by herself.
And... editing article :)
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Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: In need of some Wiki Magic
, started by Oreochan on May 4th 2011 at 2:54:12 PM
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