Could Cultural Cringe be expanded to include examples of people being ashamed of the social class they grew up in or would that warrant creation of a separate trope?
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Does the American section lean too far left? As someone with very conservative relatives, I feel like the reasons there are rather... stereotypical to be honest. The reasons I know are generally fairly meta (i.e.: I hate how other US citizens hate America!), although the religious reasons seem valid. I'm probably not the one to rewrite that though.
Thar be flabbergasting!
Where would The Bee Gees fit into Australian Cultural Cringe? I thought that it's wrth a mention as they seem to come from roughly that time period and are the single most popular band to come out of Australia (though they're highly YMMV). Was it before Cultural Cringe became popular?
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They're Manx (from the isle of man in Great Britain). Andy Gibb is Australian. The family moved there after the boys kept getting kicked out of schools.
They or she. Not a minor.
I can't speak for everyone, obviously, but as far as I can tell Australia has always loved the Bee Gees. They had much steadier success here than in other countries. My city has a shrine to them
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I don't really see how. If someone was extremely critical of their own religion, wouldn't they just solve the problem by leaving said religion? It's more difficult to leave a country than to leave a religion.
I suppose if they lived in an environment were religion is heavily enforced it might be possible.
Do we really need a Troper Tales section for this? It seems like it only exists for people to rant about how much they hate their country and such. It's not very insightful.
I'm surprised there's not yet a section on Japanese cultural cringe. I'm not familiar enough with the culture to be able to write a comprehensive entry, but even I know they have a long-standing and vocal counterculture.
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Why be surprised?
There won't be a section on Japan until someone who's either a native or veteran resident of Japan—or someone sufficiently educated on Japanese life—stops by to write about it. All the existing sections were probably all written by people native to the countries on which they write.
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Something bugs me about the "How to Tell if You're American" list. This philosophical points are only valid if you're conservative; not much mention is made of liberal Americans. Just saying.
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... Say what? I don't think there's any conservative bias in that list at all. Hell, it doesn't even sound conservative to me. It's politically neutral.
Where in the list do you see a "conservative bias?"
I read the list expecting it to be either a) highly conservative or b) deriding. I was pleasantly surprised. It was neither. I understood that not everything on the list was what I personally knew to be true or that I liked, but it seemed like a fair and neutral list of American culture, although it seems to have a city bias (all cabbies are ethnic, no one is a farmer) The only thing I raised by eyebrows at is
"Between "black" and "white" there are no other races. Someone with one black and one white parent looks black to you."
I feel the list is old—is it? That may have been true, but most people incorporate Asians, Arabs, and Hispanics, and often Native Americans. Any other ethnicity inclusion is possible, but those are generally the biggest groups.
Probably dating back to 1996, if that other page referenced on the Zompist site is any indication.
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Probably referring to and misinterpreting empty threats back in 2004 when George W. Bush was re-elected.
It clearly describes at least one, because he said "us", meaning he probably wouldn't mind razing Houston.
Personally, I wouldn't mind not being associated with America either. I already claim that Oregon (my state) is just a tiny little Canada locked within America's national boundaries; I'm just a case of denial away from not having to cop to what an embarrassment my country's been the last decade or so...
And thus Chowder demonstrates the trope in action.
Speaking of Twin Bird, though, to answer his years(?)-old question from the discussion archives:
- "Um...why is this under "Australia"? As described, it seems like a more general concept."
Cultural Cringe is part of Australia's Useful Notes because, much like Tall Poppy Syndrome, the concept was first observed/analyzed/discussed with respect to Australia. The term was coined by an Australian social commentator, and his writings inspected the phenomenon in Australians.
It's interesting that Canada and Australia are leading the pack in patriotic fervor, considering the whole 'grandparents who still call England home' thing. Maybe it's a backlash on the part of the younger generations who were born and raised there? Y'know, growing up hearing everyone talk down the place that you call home, and subsequently developing a certain defensive patriotism?
Apart from lingering embarrassment towards the Bush administration, the reverse could potentially be true for the USA. Growing up hearing about how awesome your country is from the previous generations and media, and then looking around and seeing so many problems/issues (regardless of how severe they are or aren't compared to those in other places) might provoke a reflexive urge to contradict.
Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Are there two different definitions here?
, started by Ckuckoo on May 15th 2011 at 9:29:08 AM
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