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The Jews have incorporated a lot of elements from the Saturnalia into Hanukkah, and started claiming all the Solstice holidays of different nations come from an ancient holiday first celebrated by Adam.
... what? I grew up Jewish and I've never heard any of this. Hanukkah is a minor holiday that was a celebration of a military victory over the Romans by the Maccabees, with the miracle of the lights added later. It's the second least important holiday on the Jewish calendar, and only gained any importance at all with the commercialization of Christmas in the 20th century ... when Jewish parents who didn't want to explain to their kids why they weren't getting presents co-opted that tradition from Christians.
The Saturnalian practices were adopted by Christians in an effort to proselytize the Romans, telling them they wouldn't have to give up their fun holiday if they converted. Same with the Yule log, mistletoe, etc.
And I have NEVER heard the line about a pre-Diluvian holiday. If there was a holiday celebrated by Adam, why would it be the SECOND LEAST IMPORTANT HOLIDAY in Judaism?
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Additional note. I just realized that this claim doesn't even make sense. Hanukkah commemorates a specific event that took place in 167 BC. How the *freaking heck* would it even be possible to claim it dated back to Adam?
Under film: Invoked in Oh, God! by God himself: Jerry (reading from a list of questions): "'Is Jesus Christ the son of God?'" God: "Jesus was my son. Buddha was my son. Mohammed, Moses, you, the man who said there was no room at the inn, was my son."
Sounds more like god says he is the creator of mankind and the people that became known as buddha etc are his making. If there is part of the quote missing, it should be expanded, otherwise it should be deleted or moved to the right trope (don't know if there is one). Am i seeing that right?
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So, this trope does not require that the "crossed-over" cosmologies be real-life ones, right? That is, they can be effectively unique to their stories, with little to no relation to real-life mythologies/religions?
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I think so. For example The World Of Darkness had abrahamic vampires, pagan/gaean werewolves, whatever the heck is up with Mages, Demons/angels who somehow confirm but don't abrahamic God's existence and see every other gameline's explanation of events true.
Do you think there could be a trope about how authors shy away from repreenting Abrahamic religions when using this one?
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There probably could. If we have one already I can't think of it off the top of my head. You can swing this by YKTTW (you know that thing where...?) and suggest it.
The comic miniseries Loki: Ragnarok and Roll should be added to the list. Odin has a big party with attendees including Thor, Loki, Hercules, Anansi, Baron Samedi, Ganesha, Fujin, Nanook, Tu Er Shen, Horus as well as more modern gods like Cthulhu and the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Saint George also attends and Jehova is mentioned as being real but doesn't show up. They are described as thoughtforms who believe themselves to be gods.