Discussion Main / BuxomBeautyStandard

I'm late, but I think this trope should be renamed as "Buxom Preference" since the "beauty standard" means how society thinks what is beauty, but this trope happens with individual character pages too, although the characters like women with big breasts just because this is their preference rather than In-Universe society leads them to do.

No, because Buxom Is Better is other people thinking large breasts as attractive.

Please bring it up in the Trope Repair Shop and/or this project thread if you think it has problems (without complaining about another page being axed).

Buxom Babe was a redirect to this trope. We cutlisted it because to was a bad name and was being used to point out busty characters tropers had a Perverse Sexual Lust for. red links to Buxom Babe should be removed and replaced with Buxom Is Better when appropriate .

I like Baby Got Bust. It's catchy.

Why does there have to be a punny alt-name? Buxom is better is already a pun/snowclone of Bigger is Better and works fine. This website needs less puns, not more. Baby got Boobs is already a porn series.

I don't think we really need more tropes for this, personally. Buxom Sells, for one thing, can fit under Sex Sells.

Admittedly, Buxom Is Better is being misused somewhat, but I suspect that's inevitable. The trope page makes it pretty clear what it's about (bigger breasts = hotter girl) but of course some people are going to ignore that.

You know, you raise a good point. I've been so distracted by many things in the past months that I've neglected addressing this issue.

For now, I now realize that at least part of the problem is that we're trying to shoehorn multiple tropes into one. Here's my current take on it:

• Buxom Is Better proper: The belief that 1) a true woman has to be big-breasted, and 2) the bigger the breasts, the more feminine/womanly and/or sexually attractive you are; can take the form of a buxom girl ridiculing a lesser-endowed peer's lack of "assets", or guys favoring a shallow woman for her bustiness while ignoring the kind-hearted Shrinking Violet with an average-sized chest.
  • This covers cases were the character's buxomness is due to her designer/creator preferring either big-breasted women or just drawing them.
  • Unfortunately Truth in Television in Western society and those that are heavily influenced by it.
• Buxom Sells: Owing in part to Sex Sells, the majority of character artists/designers/writers either believe that making a female/hermaphrodite character noticeably big-breasted and/or deliberating designing the character and/or her wardrobe to draw Male Gaze to her big breasts would result in increased popularity, and thereby increased profitability, or they don't believe so, but are still trying to cash in on the relatively prevalent appeal of already existing buxom female characters by designing their female characters accordingly.
  • The likes of Mai Shiranui, Ivy, Morrigan and Felicia would fall under this; one can't really deny that their character designers aren't purposefully emphasizing their bustiness.
• World of Buxom: Where every single known/shown female/hermaphrodite character - excluding the occasional Token Loli or Pettanko - is unquestionably big-breasted, even the nameless extras, to a degree that is dissonant with reality.
  • Godannar is a glaring example; most of the non-pilot cast are clearly Japanese citizens, and yet not one of the girls go below "large" on the Sliding Scale of Anime/Manga Breast Size. Buxom Japanese women are a rarity, last time I checked.
  • Similarly guilty are Angel Blade and Divergence Eve.

Buxom Is Better (proper) and Buxom Sells can and do overlap in the case of some character designers.

I would appreciate any suggestions to improve the above proposed division.

The second one we have tropes for already.

Also, adding more "categories" expands the trope in awkward ways. The definition of the trope is hard to get already.

Why is there an Unknown Classification section? What does that even mean? Cut it.

Unknown classification (Pending proper reclassification; no additional examples please)

• Notably lampshaded in one episode of Azumanga Daioh: resident Cloudcuckoolander Osaka describes the well-developed Sakaki as "American" and herself as "Japanese", with Yomi being somewhat between them as "Hawaiian" (as there's a very large Japanese minority in Hawaii). When Tomo asks about herself, the short reply is: "Japanese".
  • Hawaii also has a large portion of naturally large natives, and Yomi is always teased about being overweight.

The Real Life section should be cut too. Except perhaps for mentioning porn. Otherwise, most of them don't relate to the trope at all.

While I may agree with you on the "Unknown Classification" section, I think the Real Life section is fine as it is, except maybe moving the "Gigantomastia" bit to the tail end of the article description.

And Since the Buxom Is Better phenomenon applies in Real Life, it stands to reason that anyone who's interested in the trope and its Real Life occurences would also be interested in knowing the current world records.

The "no more examples" tag ensures that this section does not become overloaded with Perverse Sexual Lust.

The whole point of the Unknown Classification section is to allow Wiki Magic to put it in the right section. The person who put it there didn't want it to stay, they just didn't know where to put it.

BTW, obviously that example would go under Anime/Manga.

It wasn't a question of what type of media it was, the classification was acting as a separate section from Subversions and such. It made no sense.

No, this one's fine.

Actually, a new image wouldn't be bad. This one doesn't explain the trope at all. Or really contribute to the page at all.

In fact, there is a discussion here

"Men think large breasts are sexy" ≠ trope

And here's an idea: why not just delete the MCSP examples instead of creating a non-trope article whose only purpose is for people to fill with PSL?

Pill hasn't had any success in the discussion thread in getting rid of this, so she gone to the cutlist. Don't cut.

It's definitely a trope. Though it may be ill defined based on the current article.

@Pill: How many times do I have to say it? Buxom Is Better is not "Men think large breasts are sexy", it's "Most men think the bigger the breasts, the sexier they are (which isn't always true)".

@Iverum: Please state your issues, then, so we may work to correct them. Civil, well-mannered debate is always welcome in my book.

The article text just seems to meander a bit too much. It's a bit hard to pull exactly what this Trope is without rereading it. The article could be organized a bit better is the main point I want to make.

Okay, that is a reasonable point. Can you specify which lines/paragraphs are problematic?

Within the various forms of media, there is a prevalent assumption among story writers, artists, etc., that large(r) breasts automatically make a woman more attractive; this often leads to "excessive" focus on said breasts even if this assumption is not stated in the text, and/or the character with the largest breasts automatically being treated as the most attractive in-universe (regardless of who the fans think is really the most attractive).

This sentence makes the trope sound like Author Appeal. It's the first sentence in the article, and sets the trope up as something it is not. It's also a run-on, but we'll ignore that.

This trope is basically a female character that is at least reasonably attractive, and who is notable - and usually lampshaded in-universe - for having substantially larger than average breasts among other female contemporaries.

This sentence should probably come first. It gives a better idea of what the trope is. It still is a little unclear however. Are you saying that the trope is about female characters who are attractive with large breasts, or female characters who are attractive because they have large breasts.

The trope should also define the difference between

This trope is "Bigger Breasts = Hotter Girl", not simply "Big Breasts = Hot Girl"

<sigh> This is exactly why I wanted to continue tweaking the description in YKTTW stage; unfortunately, I kept getting a lot of "Just Launch It Already!" reactions and eventually caved in. But I digress.

• 1st Point: The paragraph was supposed to explain that the trope commonly arises from either Author Appeal, or assuming that "all men like big breasts, and the bigger the better", but in hindsight, I realize that it doesn't show that quite well. I don't get how it's a "run-on", though.
  • On a side-note, it was derived from the "Rename Booberiffic" thread in the Trope Repair Shop, which contributed a lot to Buxom Is Better's current form.
• 2nd Point: It's a legacy of the earlier Booberiffic. I think it was supposed to exclude undeniably hideous females who somehow qualify for the "big breasts" criterion. In short, Generic Cuteness is required, even if in-universe the character is supposed to be homely (e.g. Chisame Hasegawa, who is supposed to have "bad skin", yet is drawn in the same "blemishless" way as practically everyone else  ^*
  ^{Even Negi kept his scars, and Ako has particularly nasty ones of her own on her back for the "Woobie with a Dark and Troubled Past" factor.}
  )
• 3rd Point: Okay, I thought I should go with brief and concise, given that I've been given some "description is too long" complaints in the YKTTW, but it seems that I was too brief. I'll have to expand that part.

Anything else?

Just because it's "observable" doesn't mean its a trope. It is NOT a repeated pattern or motif in works, but merely a societal conditioning. That's like me saying that "many people have cell phones" is a trope.

If you all really insist on keeping this article (and I refuse to call it a trope, as it seems the definition of the word has been skewered on this site), I suggest you rename it to "Breast Bias", make it very evident that the opinion of breasts this trope gives is, in fact, a biased opinion, and keep it absolutely example-less. Also, delete any outward links that use this page just to denote characters people want to gush over for their breasts. We don't need another MCSP problem.

And Mad, how did you come to the conclusion that I'm female?

I direct you to "Rename Booberiffic?" for references on why and how it has been agreed that this is a valid trope, and "Misuse of breast tropes", and Tropability of Breast Tropes/Related Tropes to discuss your complaint of the Buxom Is Better trope's "untropability". I do not want to clutter the discussion page with a debate that be done in a more fitting place.

That aside, to expand on my previous rebuttal, your very own logic would dictate that Biggus Dickus, a trope that has a similar premise (in short, "bigger penis = better sex"), should also be treated the same. However, there have been no contention thus far about its validity as a trope.