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(Undertale endgame spoilers ahead) Wouldn't Chara and Flowey from Undertale count into this? Chara was a human who hated humanity. And Flowey, although constantly encouraging the player to hurt the game's monsters and viewing them (the monsters) as worthless, used to be a monster himself before an event that caused his tragic death. Flowey's oikophobia is so strong to the point where he even hates his parents Toriel and Asgore, despite the fact that they all loved each other unconditionally back when he was alive.

The game's most significant and tragic story event was caused by the fact that Chara the human wanted to pressure Asriel the monster to kill humans and use their souls to free monsterkind from their magic-made prison. But Asriel, with his soft personality, didn't have the psyche to do it, and let the humans kill him instead. He was then accidentally reincarnated as a homunculus-type-of creature that is nor a monster or a human and has no soul (Flowey), and was made immortal through the power of mandatory reincarnation that was accidentally imposed on him. The inability to ever truly die destroyed his psyche, and eventually made him want to lash his sorrows out on his former-fellow monsters, because he couldn't find anything else left to do.

Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Group X is a band, started by HiddenFacedMatt on Aug 26th 2011 at 4:13:03 PM

I know that it's labeled for No Real Life Examples, but Ted Haggard is a pretty unambiguous real-life example. So. Yeah.

How has it been "scientifically disproven" that most modern Jews are descended from Khazars? I know of this theory but have read little about it and am curious.

Can we axe the Real Life section? I feel that this is a little touchy thing to go into real life stuff.

I believe there's a problem with the real life example about Hawai'i:

In Hawai'i haoles (pronounced "howlies"), or white people, are often subjected to harassment, name calling and (in a few cases) even outright violence by local people. Local usual means Asians and Native Hawaiians, though oddly enough it also includes the rather large Portuguese community for some reason (perhaps they see themselves as Hispanic, which effectively gives them white N-Word Privileges). Also many Native Hawaiian activists could probably spend the better part of the afternoon talking about how "the haoles stole our land". This seems almost odd when you consider that nearly 60% of all people in Hawai'i (and about 99% of all Native Hawaiians) are of mixed race and nearly all of them have at least some Caucasian ancestry.

Not sure if there's a mighty whitey involved in writing this note, but it's dripping hate and vitriol against native Hawaiian activists. So what they share 'some caucasian ancestry'? Their beliefs and identities are for them to construct, not to be determined by us based on their skin tone. Anyway, any look at the history of the Kingdom of Hawaii and how it was invaded and occupied in a coup by white foreigners through aid of the US government would understand these activists' grievances. I'm just throwing this for discussion before I attempt a review of the para.

The "Hellsing" reference in Anime/Manga needs to be cleaned up, removed or edited and moved to the appropriate spot in Literature. Is it referring to Hellsing or Anne Rice's Vampire Chronicles? I know it's about Vampire Chronicle's, but that only makes it more confusing when an article titled "Hellsing" discusses Marius and Armand without clearly indicating why.

Does it still count as Boomerang Bigotism if the person in question is the only-ever Defector from Decadence Always Chaotic Evil (lets assume it really is just that one exception for once.)

I don't think that situation quite falls under You Are What You Hate or at least not only under it, because that trope implies the character who dislikes a particular thing is secretly a practitioner of the very thing and Defector from Decadence explicitly hands in their union card. Hunter of His Own Kind overlaps, but not every hater is necessarily a hunter.

I guess I got a bit off my own topic here. The question is, does it count as bigotism if the person has a point?

Would a mutant who hated other mutants be considered a Boomerang Bigot?

I think we need a better distinction between this trope and You Are What You Hate. There are at least three different categories here.

• Someone is openly a member of a group he hates.
• Someone privately accepts that he's a member of a group he hates but hides it from others.
• Someone is a member of a group he hates but does not realize it.

This needs some clean-up, especially the Truth in Television section — many of those examples are either You Are What You Hate or neither trope.