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SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
Jun 2nd 2010 at 6:32:19 PM •••

The Oxygen vs CO 2 thing

The YKTTW brings up a good point: why is considering carbon dioxide poisoning an aversion? The trope is still building dramatic tension by setting a time limit after which the cast will suffocate and die. Making it hinge on whether or not they run out of air or run out of breathable air seems awfully pedantic and off the point. It's an Action Adventure Trope, it written with a focus on the tension build up of running out if air, the examples are focused on the drama, it seems that we're taking one word out of all proportion. You can't really tell whether the characters are really goingon about overall air or breathable air. You'd only really notice in works where they have broken carbon dioxide scrubbers rather than broken gas tanks.

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AlirozTheConfused Since: May, 2010
Jun 14th 2010 at 8:49:45 AM •••

The point is that certain people DO notice in works where they have broken carbon dioxide scrubbers rather than broken gas tanks. Besides, could we really call it "Deadly Buildup Of CO 2"? I think that the point is running out of breathable air, rather than being poisoned by a buildup of gas. That, I think, should be a separate trope, or at least an aversion of this one. Same general idea, just different details.

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Sloverlord Since: Sep, 2009
Jun 30th 2010 at 4:29:20 AM •••

Another thing worth mentioning: the very paper quoted to prove that it's CO 2 buildup, not oxygen deprivation, that causes the problem actually says just the opposite:

Some experts opine that complaints that seem to be associated with high CO 2 problem in many if not most circumstances are likely to be actually due to the corresponding reduction in available oxygen in air rather than high toxicity levels of CO 2 in the air. As carbon dioxide levels climb above a few percent the relative proportions of gases making up that air change: the concentration of oxygen in the air inhaled is reduced as the amount of CO 2 is increased.

AnonymousMcCartneyfan Since: Jan, 2001
Jun 1st 2010 at 10:55:10 PM •••

Examples exist.... Though we might have this trope already.

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macroscopic Since: Jul, 2009
Jun 2nd 2010 at 5:46:22 AM •••

Don't cut this. Examples do exist, and there's no denying it's a trope.

If we do have this, I'm not finding it.

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SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
Jun 2nd 2010 at 7:00:51 AM •••

Examples do exist... somewhere..out there...maybe,so does YKKTW. Try passing it through. The name and description are fine though so I don't see why we'd have to scrub the page.

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DomaDoma Since: Jan, 2001
Jun 2nd 2010 at 10:05:26 AM •••

Why can't we just let the Wiki Magic take care of it on the trope page? It seems we've got enough of a seed crystal for that now.

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SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
Jun 2nd 2010 at 10:17:08 AM •••

No examples, not a proper trope until it has examples.

FlyingV Since: Apr, 2010
Jun 2nd 2010 at 12:44:35 PM •••

All I can think of is an aversion in Apollo13.

Hylarn (Don’t ask)
Jun 2nd 2010 at 2:21:12 PM •••

The thing is, pages started without examples very rarely get any. People tend to be unwilling to start a new section.

AlirozTheConfused Since: May, 2010
Jun 2nd 2010 at 3:44:40 PM •••

Let's say that if no examples are added in the next three to six days, then it's deleted.

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AlirozTheConfused Since: May, 2010
Jun 2nd 2010 at 4:20:02 PM •••

Okay, It's got six true examples and one aversion. That's more than many tropes have when they are launched at Ykttw. I object to cutting it for lack of examples when it has more examples than many tropes you could name. I think it's stable as it is.

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SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
Jun 2nd 2010 at 6:24:13 PM •••

The YKTTW brings up a good point: why is considering carbon dioxide poisoning an aversion? The trope is still building dramatic tension by setting a time limit after which the cast will suffocate and die. Making it hinge on whether or not they run out of air or run out of breathable air seems awfully pedantic and off the point.

Let's split that off onto another point; the page has been delisted.

Edited by SomeSortOfTroper
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