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BURGINABC Since: Jun, 2012
Oct 22nd 2017 at 11:59:45 PM •••

This definition is confusing. It appears to conflate "greenwashing" of environmental problems to create the illusion of solving them without actually doing so, and the use of the buzzword "natural" to sell dubious food/supplement products.

I don't understand this; to me those seem like two separate issues that are, at most, only tangentially related.

Stoogebie Since: Apr, 2011
Jul 12th 2012 at 12:31:06 PM •••

Okay, quick question: is this a device used in actual works of fiction, or is this a list of what occurs in Real Life that we all just want to complain about. I don't think this is a trope, since this is somehow given examples but such terms as Dandere are "fanspeak terms, even though actual characters fall into those categories and are great examples of them".

This seems to be a bunch of natter and Take Thats at whole foods. We should really scrap a good chunk of this page.

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mephistos Since: May, 2015
Jan 14th 2016 at 2:36:49 AM •••

The device falls under the super-category of "Advertising Tropes", so it is expected that it will include many various real-life examples as it applies to use in those media. With that said, there are also multiple instances of its use in fiction listed under the "Parodies" heading.

ToadSideOfTheRainbow Since: Oct, 2013
Jul 15th 2014 at 12:04:45 PM •••

"Genetically modified"

Let's get our terminology right. The correct term is "genetically ENGINEERED". Virtually ALL food is genetically modified by default, and we made all the major changes ages ago. If you want non-GMO, natural corn, go harvest a fuckton of teosinte (its wild ancestor), which only has ten kernels per plant. Ditto all the other grains we eat—they're all derived from scrawny little grasses. Pomes (e.g., apples and pears), drupes (nectarines, plums, peaches), berries (blueberries, avocados, bananas, melons, gourds, pumpkins, etc.), citrus fruits, multiple fruits, aggregate fruits (e.g., raspberries and blackberries), and accessory fruits (e.g., strawberries) all descend from wild ancestors that bore tiny fruit full of seeds in the same way and for the same reason. If you want natural tomatoes, peppers, eggplants, or potatoes, go harvest some nightshades and enjoy your dirt nap. Bananas in particular originally had big seeds and hard flesh. The seedless ones we eat are the result of thousands of years of genetic modification, though at a price: As bananas (along with all other seedless fruit) are clones, they're 1) entirely dependent on human hands for propagation, and 2) highly vulnerable to disease (there's a reason why Panama disease nearly wiped out the Gros Michel cultivar). Non-GMO almonds have cyanide and we bred it out of them. Broccoli, cabbage, lettuce, cauliflower, turnips, beets, kale, Chinese kale, bok choy, canola, and Brussels sprouts are all derived from a scraggly, tough, wild ancestor—wild cabbage. And you can forget about carrots because the non-GMO variety is woody, inedible, and potentially toxic, being related to poison hemlock. We didn't have the orange carrots we eat until Dutch farmers bred them that way in the 1600s. Hell, all the potent strains of weed we have not descend from wild ancestors that had only traces of THC!

All the animals we eat or keep as pets are GM Os, too. Want an all-natural, non-GMO dog? Go adopt a gray wolf and hope it doesn't tear your face off. Want a natural cat? Better trap and adopt a wildcat, the ancestor of all domestic kitties. Hell, housecats can still interbreed with many, though not all, still-wild felines (Hybridizing a housecat and leopard cat will yield a Bengal cat; a serval crossed with a housecat yields a savanna cat). All cattle descend from the now-extinct Eurasian aurochs, the last of which died in Poland in 1627. Domestic sheep are derived from mouflons in the same way and for the same reason. Want some non-GMO chicken? Move to Southeast Asia and hunt a jungle fowl. Horses descend from Przewalski's horse; hamsters from the Syrian golden hamster (only domesticated within the last 80 years), and more recently, domesticated silver foxes from the red fox. We humans have always loved "screwing with nature". I don't get how anyone can oppose genetic engineering for being more precise and predictable than blind cross-breeding, mutation breeding, and grafting (None of which are safety-tested, yet GE crops are rigorously tested). Why is genetic engineering any different? Whether it's GE or traditionally bred, the principle is still the same.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Jul 15th 2014 at 12:12:09 PM •••

... okay. While I actually agree with you ("Genetically Modified doesn't equal bad"), I don't think this is the place for a rant.

If you want to turn that into an entry, then go ahead. But you'll have to tone it down considerably.

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Jul 15th 2014 at 12:25:48 PM •••

Also, "Genetically modified" is the accepted term for this sort of thing.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
JJames Since: Jun, 2012
Jul 24th 2011 at 4:34:50 PM •••

Ahh, homeopathy. It's the Creationism of Liberals. All that new-age technobabble bullshit about crystals and healing water and chiropracty, espoused by housewives and hippies with too much time on their hands.

It would be funny, except just like Christian """Science""", it leads to real harm to children and sick old people.

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Samadhir Since: Jan, 2010
Sep 23rd 2011 at 4:56:43 PM •••

Sooooo.... are you saying you want Homeopathy to be listed here?

ergeis Since: Apr, 2011
Oct 31st 2011 at 11:13:03 AM •••

What does homeopathy have anything to do with liberals or politics?

Stoogebie Since: Apr, 2011
Feb 12th 2012 at 5:35:39 PM •••

I would like to point out that some homeopathic methods do work. I'm very curious as to how I recovered from a massive cold in three days using only "alternative" methods. So much for this being a wiki about "celebrating", not "let's see how nasty and snide we can be".

Dungen Since: Feb, 2014
Mar 29th 2014 at 11:31:46 AM •••

Homoeopathy doesn't work, it's just placebo. There are plenty of stuff that can induce placebo in your kitchen right now that may actually contain traces of active reagents, honey water for an example, or garlic. Truth is that it doesn't work if it can't pass a double-blind study and homoeopathy have repeatedly failed to do so.

Stoogebie Since: Apr, 2011
Jul 12th 2012 at 12:33:46 PM •••

  • Head On. Chemical analysis of the Migraine formulation has shown that the product consists almost entirely of wax.
Of course it's nothing but wax. It's homeopathic, which by definition means that it contains absolutely no active ingredient. Plus the advertising doesn't actually say that it treats headaches. It just says to apply directly to the forehead. Wow...so, if there is a particular reason why exactly the product is effective (as per firsthand experience), I suppose it must be all in my head.

ergeis Since: Apr, 2011
Oct 31st 2011 at 11:14:45 AM •••

Any room to mention the history of snake oil and why it's associated with scams? Ironically it's a valid medicine, it's just not supposed to be a cure-all as advertised.

Vasha Since: Aug, 2009
Jul 20th 2010 at 11:59:47 AM •••

SPACE FOR DISCUSSION OF CIGARETTES:

  • Though is should be mentioned that they're not "impact boosted" — that is soaked in urine to dilate lung tissues. This means that when somebody lights one up next to you, you don't get a lungful of bitter gas that compels you to vote for harsher smoking laws(people with breathing problems might even agree to line them up and shoot them), you get a lungful of earthy woody goodness that makes you realize why people started smoking the stuff in the first place. — Kalaong

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