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, started by kuyanJ on Jun 29th 2013 at 4:44:00 PM
Neo-aestheticist
Why does the the trope description state that the men who write this trope are somehow doing their sex a disservice? This trope, as with its relative I'm a Man; I Can't Help It, is an obvious excuse for sexual harassment: "all men are burning cauldrons of lust, and women have a duty to recognize and respond to it properly! How dare a woman expect a man to treat her with respect?" It operates under the same principle as the assumption that sexual predation is the fault of the victim/survivor.
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Not saying you're wrong, but this trope does have other effects. As a man, I know that if I were called a "pervert" I'd be deeply insulted, even hurt, and many of my male friends would feel similar. I think that's where this statement is coming from.
This is an example of all sexism even sexism that greatly insults men, is forced to look like sexism against women
It also has to do with the idea that men are too weak/stupid to have self control. Of course, for women it means rape or sexual harassment, so they are certainly getting the worse part. It's just that men don't come out clean either.
Just curious: is there a particular reason why this trope doesn't have a Real Life section when All Women Are Lustful does?
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I'm not sure, but I think it's probably because "lustful" is a less pejorative word than "pervert" and thus less likely to provoke complaining. (If the trope were "All Men Are Lustful" I imagine we'd see a rather sizeable Real Life section.)
I doubt any man would mind being called a pervert. Unless it's by a girl, and followed by a slap. I think it wouldn't offend anyone. And it's kind of truth in television that if a man keeps his cool in front of a [hot] naked girl, he will be thought gay.
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Is there a male counterpart to All Women Are Prudes? If so then we need to create a entierly separate trope from this one.
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YKTTW is the place for proposing new tropes. To find if a trope currently exists and such, try Lost And Found.
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PaperMaster
Examples Are Not Recent. Weblinks Are Not Examples. These examples need context:
- Said outright as an Aesop in this comic.
- Megatokyo, anyone?
- A recent noncanon El Goonish Shive strip parodies this.
- Just about every beer advertisement, especially for Budweiser.
Personally, I'd say Miller Lite is a worse offender.
And another thing: the Cracked article linked on the main page does not say that women are just as perverted as men; it says they are as shallow as men. The writer even mentions several times that she believes women can't have sexual desire in the same way men can (an example is the part about strip clubs). It also assumes an enormous amount of gender stereotypes to be true, such as the claim that men are all the same when it comes to sexual desire (the truth, more likely, is that men are less likely to talk about kinks and fetishes they like, partially because of the prevalence of this trope). Plus, this is Cracked, which has published several articles that believe this trope to be absolute truth, so is this place really the best source for a good article defying this trope? I think not. I'm all for removing the link and putting in a better one.
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Would FATAL be considered an example for Tabletop Games? After all, there is... something of a focus on men paying attention to women.
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I've just created the All Women Are Lustful Troper Tales section. I would suggest we move all inversions and Gender Flips already listed in the All Men Are Perverts section there.
Do you think there's something wrong with this?
female sexuality is usually seen as respectful, wholesome and "pure".
I would argue that female sexuality is, rather, usually seen as nonexistent, and if a woman shows an active sex drive there's something wrong with her (cf All Women Are Prudes; My Girl Is Not a Slut), which isn't exactly any better.
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Or in my case, all non-fictional men are idiots.
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