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Can a villain have a few dips into faux territory while usually being Affably Evil? And what about villains who are legitimately affable until certain buttons are pressed (but doesn't permanently end their usual affable demeanor)?
P.S. Even if a professional killer is genuinely polite, is he still only Faux Affably Evil?
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Might be a question for the Trope Talk forum.
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I have the feeling that Affably Evil vs Faux Affably Evil has become YMMV oriented. For example, Disney's Shere Khan is clearly labled as Affably Evil on many pages, like Affably Evil and The Jungle Book. Yet he's been re-labled as Faux Affably under Disney Villains.
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The distinction seems pretty clear to me. Affably Evil characters have a naturally friendly demeanor and happen to be evil, whereas Faux Affably Evil characters put on a friendly demeanor to disguise the fact that they're evil and/or to aid their agenda. Some characters such as Sahjahn (Angel), Larry Sizemore (Burn Notice) and Gus Fring (Breaking Bad) are on both pages. I'd have the first two in Affably Evil. Fring is a tougher call, but I'd lean towards Affably Evil for him, too. Vern Schillinger (Oz) is in Affably Evil, but I'd definitely have him in Faux Affably Evil. Most of the time he was NOT affable, and literally the first thing he did in the show was befriend Beecher in order to trick him into becoming his bitch.
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Distinctions are never going to clear for me, not always. Sorry, but I'm also going with YMMV or Alternate Character Interpretation on this for now on, that is, unless the example is clearly evident. That's simply what I'm going to do. Period.
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I find the distinction between Affably Evil and Faux Affably Evil quite blurry and confusing. Just how do we know a villain is being genuinely nice or just pretending to be so? I believe a lot of villains here are more like Faux Affably Evil.
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I have to agree. I really don't have good idea which character is to be classified as Affable and Faux Affable anymore. I have seen many characters who I thought were Faux Affable who have been classified as Affable. Hmm...
The distinction is often a pain in the ass, even for me who is often into evil tropes. If you're in doubt, call said villain or character the one you think he/she is (and explain why) and if somebody knows better, they can change the trope accordingly.
I would assume Affably Evil until proven otherwise. If a villain is being nice, then he Affably Evil. If he then turns around and does something that shows he was faking it then you can switch him to Faux Affably Evil. Plus, it's not like all writers will stick to our definitions of the tropes and they will make characters that fall into a gray area.
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Cut this:
- * In the original Gaston Leroux novel The Phantom Of The Opera, Christine expects the Phantom to rape her during her abductions, but he actually has the decency not to do so. This after he has murdered a number of innocent people, especially via his penchant for hanging traps; declared that he owns Christine; and other not-so-nice things.
So I'm not affable?
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What is this trope if a villain eventually gets angry and stops being polite?
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Just like with Wicked Cultured and Complete Monster, I think it would be better to remove the Real Life section.
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And then they removed it.
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Complete Monster + Affably Evil = Impossible. Just saying.
One of the defining traits of the Affably Evil character is a degree of genuine niceness - which overrides the Complete Monster requirement of having no altruistic traits.
Of course, there's nothing to stop a character being a Complete Monster and Faux Affably Evil.
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- * Tony Todd as William Bludworth, the funeral director, in three of the five Final Destination movies. He's far from an enemy to the protagonists whenever they wander into his funeral home (he even says in the first film he didn't mind them walking in on the dead after they fall through the funeral home's roof), but as a funeral director he deals with death, the actual antagonist of all five movies.
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Kersey475: I nominate thatthis image
be the new picture for this page (I have no idea how to upload images onto tvtropes so could someone else please do it).
While I do favor the picture of the Mayor (and it makes sense, since he's the page quote), I was still kind of wondering why Fast Eddie suddenly changed it back (since the discussion seemed to favor the Jungle Book one- although that discussion now seems to be locked).
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Anonymous here is voting someone changes the picture back. I can't because someone locked it. While the Mayor is a good choice, he's well, Just A Face And A Caption. Doesn't irk me too much, but I'd like to know why it got changed back.
The admin of the site wanted it. Shrug. That's all there is to it, really.
So JAFAAC is terrible.... Except when Fast Eddie does it?
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Removed Tsukiko because she never came across as being particularly nice person.
The Mandarin usually is almost never polite, and usually comes across as a ranting Arrogant Kung Fu Guy, or Klingon type. I vote he be removed from this section.
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Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: AffablyEvil vs. FauxAffablyEvil; how distinct are these?
, started by HiddenFacedMatt on Jan 13th 2012 at 10:40:26 PM
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