I feel like it should be an index beyond a mere disambig considering how long the list is.
I feel like it should be an index beyond a mere disambig considering how long the list is.
I brought it up with the other mods and we decided it was a good idea, so it's now an index.
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imo this trope focuses heavily on parental fear instead of other adult fears, and doesn't reflect on all adults. is there anywhere i can possibly discuss an alternate name for this trope?
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I think it might be worth creating a sub-trope called Parental Fear that deals specifically with characters afraid of horrible things happening to children.
Harry Potter. Here and everywhere. I don't know WHO is responsible for the childish, slavishly admiring contributions (although my suspicion falls on the goddess herself), in any case they scream to be edited. Please do. The books are utter trite, and if Twilight is treated here with just contempt, so should be HP.
Seriously, when I read "this was entirely intentional on Rowling's part", I nearly wet my pants laughing. It's been several years since the last book, and I think some serious de-programing is in order.
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I have no idea what you are even saying, but if you have nothing to say beyond bashing Harry Potter, please leave.
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Most of the examples seem to be cruft.
, started by Deboss on Feb 13th 2011 at 7:44:42 AM
Previous Trope Repair Shop thread: Unclear Description, started by treelo on Sep 16th 2013 at 4:58:18 PM
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Nearly all of these adult fears involve things happening to kids. Should this be renamed Parental Fear? Not all adults are parents, but almost all have concerns for kids, so perhaps not.
However, there are other forms of adult fears, as the article itself said. I think the article either needs to show a more diverse collection of adult fears, or be renamed.
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Other adult fears include losing your job, having bills pile up while you attempt (but fail) to secure new employment, and becoming homeless in the process; seeing your whole life waste away as you're tasked to take care of an ageing parent because either your siblings are unwilling to help you, or you're the only child and you don't know anyone who'd be willing to help; being caught up in a terrible criminal or terrorist situation with no way of being able to elicit help; being diagnosed with a terminal illness and dying when you're still supposed to be in the prime of your life; dying alone in a nursing home facility with no one there to surround you as you breathe your last dying breaths; being DUMPED in a nursing home facility when you've still got a working brain and having no one come by to visit; working hard for everything you have and seeing it all go up in flames as your home catches fire and you're unable even to retrieve old family photographs; or looking all your life for that special someone who you can share your life with but never finding that person, eventually dying alone, unloved, and with no family to call your own. If there are works of fiction that match up to any of the above, that would be wonderful.
BTW, I didn't throw in "being a victim of a vicious crime" because I would think that'd constitute a UNIVERSAL fear, not just one held by adults.
I was born, then grew up, had some awkward, sad, happy, and worrisome moments, and now here I exist, a starfish in a sea of guppies.
I sort of agree with Bonsai, but not exactly. I think the specifically parent/caretaker-related fears might be better served being spun off into a separate trope. There are lots of perfectly cromulent adult fears besides "my offspring will die/be taken away" but they're kind of lost in the fray here.
I actually held most of these fears since I was 4... Adult Fear how?
- xxFashionista.xx
You were obviously a very mature four-year-old, then.
Oh no! The DREADED AQUAE MORTIS! No, wait, it's just your imagination.
I agree that some kind of action seems called for. Most uses and interpretations of the trope currently focus on "bad things happening to children." There's almost no attention paid to the "scary because it could happen in your actual adult life" aspect (lots of examples would not exist without the supernatural/fictional elements, or at least require some mental gymnastics to apply to real-life situations), and even less recognition that the trope also applies to real-life fears not involving kids (aging, illness, loss of ability to support oneself, wasting your life in a dead-end grind just to support yourself and never getting the chance to do anything meaningful, etc).
I want to add an example from a radio drama. Where would that go?
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Should there be a new trope to hold all the "threats concerning loved ones from potentially fantastical sources"? Ultimate Heroic Fear, perhaps, because it is the one fear that every hero has. It might be related to And Your Little Dog, Too!, but with the emphasis on the hero's reaction rather than the villain's evilness.
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Really, couldn't there be a trope that is essentially "Adult Fear for Fantasy / Science Fiction / etc? Essentially, as has been pointed out, a lot of the situations may not happen for reasons that could occur in the real world, but they have similar fears behind them. For instance, a hero might fear going mad, but it might happen because of enchantment or Bizarre Alien Biology rather than regular reasons.
Why are you asking this on the Adult Fear board?
Why do you think Adult Fear doesn't incorporate fantasy excuses into the trope? This trope is, "a reasonable adult sees their child about to die, and is terrified.". The child might be killed by an alien symbiont, a magic spell, or a truck. The reason for the threat is irrelevant. "My child will die" is a mundane threat; a threat that happens daily in the real world.
Actually, the trope incorporates more than that, but for a simple example, it should suffice. This trope is not, "my loved ones are in danger", but "this fear is a learned behavior, and follows reasonable justifications that most people would share.".
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Deleted this badly written example.
- In the Walking Dead-based survival audio show We're Alive, most characters didn't start dying until the end of Season 1. And the first survivor to become a ZOMBIE is a 16 year old boy named Tommy.
- And let us not begin to talk about Samantha and Hope. After the sentient douche villain The Pinstriped Zombie led an attack on their stronghold, Samantha was forced to leave without her daughter. And then Hope, in an escape attempt, went blind due to the glass.
- And the backstory of Scratch. Oh god, the backstory of Scratch.
- Reasons:
- ZOMBIES are NOT realistic fear.
- Let us not begin is Word Cruft, incorrect Example Indentation, and most of all — zombies again.
- And the Zero Context Example. Oh god, the Zero Context Example.
Similarly:
- In Soul Eater, Medusa's method of resurrection. After Stein kills her, she morphs her soul into the form of a snake, and then proceeds to possess five-year-old Rachel Boyd with it. There's a full chapter about her and her family, and how poor Rachel's parents, who are completely powerless to stop her, react to the way she vanishes. Specially her mother, who's Forced to Watch as Medusa talks to her through Rachel and then disappears.
These are not realistic fears. Horror Tropes are not always Adult Fear.
I think the first Soul Eater example is fine, since it's still an Adult Fear (your child being abducted by a stranger with nothing you can do about it), albeit with a supernatural twist. Second one is just as Adult Fear as any time an ally is killed in front of you.
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HOWEVER, this is a line from the article: To an adult (especially one with family), kids being preyed upon by pedophiles/sociopaths is scarier than kids being preyed upon by a Xenomorph.
I don't think the Soul Eater example counts, and honestly, all examples from sci-fi or fairy-tales are dubious at best.
There's an adult fear at the foundation of the Soul Eater example, but from what I know of the series, it's heavily frosted over with supernatural elements, to the point that it crosses over into straight Horror. I'd personally say no, it's not an example, at least from what's written here.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
In the Soul Eater anime at least, the girl is playing on her own and when her parents come back, she's gone. From their POV, that's just a straight up child abduction, supernatural elements be damned. Yes, she's taken by a body-snatching snake women but as far as they're concerned, she's just there one minute and gone the next. Even though the series is heavily supernatural, to the parents (the ones feeling the Adult Fear) it really isn't.
I suppose the question Xfllo raises is this: Is the trope aimed at the viewer's POV or the characters? Because yes, to the viewer it's not an adult fear. But to the in-universe characters, it would be.
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You could say that, yes. But then again, if we take characters' perspective, it would include so many more instances. All the Primal Fear or Body Horror tropes. Once you take the character's perspective, the fear is very real. Imagine you yourself are mutated. Imagine your family is harmed and killed by animals. Every scary situation could fall here.
But if we make it from the audience POV, wouldn't that technically turn this into an audience reaction trope?
I don't much care either way, I might add. Just sayin'.
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I can see it as Audience Reaction.
Uncanny Valley is a similar trope: something uunsettling thrown into the mundane, which makes it scary. It's YMMV already, even though lots of the examples are described as such in-universe (it seemed to me especially while I was reading UncannyValley.Literature).
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"...past the age where you're capable of believing there's something carnivorous and hairy under the bed."
I'll have you know that under beds is amongst my cat's favourite places.
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This trope has suffered decay. This is supposed to be about REALISTIC fears. Things that could happen to a kid in real life, but we have examples of kids being brainwashed by magic (From Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children), people being trapped in a desert with no memories of what happened to them (From Bleach Ulquiorra), kids being possessed by a snake... thing (Soul Eater), being mindcontrolled to think everyone you know and love is being killed (Bleach again), being so powerful that being near people KILLS them (Bleach AGAIN Coyote Starrk), you are turned into pigs and you daughter is put into slavery where she starts to lose her memory (Spirited Away).
Yeah, I doubt that's even half of the decay.
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The news plays off of this, but it's not fictional, so I didn't add it.
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I'm about to do a mass cleansing of this page. It's far below the standard and is half Thread Mode or Word Cruft.
I'm going to go ahead and dump any bad examples here for clean up.
One Piece:Every single flashback of the Straw Hats Pirates from when they were children can be horrifying on certain levels when you read them from an adult's standpoint.
- D.Gray-Man: What the Black Order officials did to Lenalee and Kanda in their backstories.
- Neon Genesis Evangelion, inspired by the creator's experiences with manic depression, focuses heavily on themes of insecurity, alienation, self-loathing, and hurting/being hurt by those we love. While these are expressed specifically through the lens of an adolescent character, many adult viewers who have or do struggle with depression and/or anything else of the above find it powerful and oftentimes disturbing. The Movie combines intense emotional distress with mind-meltingly horrific imagery and Soundtrack Dissonance for memorable results.
- No wonder many people hate Shinji... think about them seeing in him what they hate the most about themselves, and then seeing it increased thenfold. They hate his "wangst" because they refuse to admit that they would be just as bad if they were in his shoes, plain and simple.
- Weirdly, Death Note. So most of us will never have to worry about evil supergeniuses or notebooks that kill people — but look at the way Light exploits the public mood. All along, he plays on a reactionary tendency in public opinion — people don't like crime, people don't like criminals, and so if someone's killing off the worst ones, who's really going to disapprove? And then he pushes the envelope, making his brand of vigilante justice more and more mainstream. Five years on, the whole world is rapidly moving towards a police state under one man's control, and it's driven from the beginning by corrupting people's need for safety and justice. That's scary, because that mechanism plays out in less extreme form in the news every day.
- There's also Sayu being kidnapped right off the street on her way home, missing for several days, and when she's finally returned home safe, she's in a catatonic state—reminding us that even if a kidnapped child is found and retrieved, they aren't necessarily unscathed from the experience. The contrast between her original, bubbly personality to a staring, silent, doll-like state is jarring, to say the very least.
- Much of the Adult Fear in the series is expressed through Soichiro Yagami, who's not funny or conflicted enough to take the audience out of how horrible the world of Death Note really is. The latter half of the series as plenty of scenes with him being disturbed and angry at the way Kira is taking over, but powerless to stop it, even as his own family inevitably winds up in the crossfire. The scene of him looking at the mentally-scarred Sayu in her wheelchair, while thinking to himself "What am I going to do?" drips of this. It's even worse for him in the live-action films where he has to live with the knowledge that the son he held in his arms as he died was the mass murderer blamed for his death, was unrepentant until the last (and earlier on had tried to kill him), keeping it all a secret from his family.
- The revelation that People who die go to Mu (nothingness) and that after death, nothing can be done to bring someone back to life. Arguably, this fear is why religion is so important to some, who want to believe that cessation of life isn't the end.
- There's also Sachiko, who loses her husband and son in the space of three months, and is left to care for the empty shell that's all that's left of her daughter alone.
- Wolf Guy Wolfen Crest: one of the main characters is a teacher. Two of her students, however? A Tall, Dark, and Snarky Doom Magnet (Akira Inugami) and a Spoiled Brat Complete Monster (Dou Haguro). That can be already really scary, but it's nothing compared to what will happen later...
- The kids from Runaways fight vampires, aliens, and evil robots, but the only reason they have to deal with these things in the first place is that their own parents turn out to be evil. For most of them, this comes as a shock; for Chase, not so much.
- Even worse is watching what happens after. Social services aren't able to provide the support they need, so they turn to each other and start living in underground hideaways and have to put themselves in danger to keep LA safe from the power vacuum created by their parents. This causes them to be hurt and, in several cases, killed. When Gert's parents find out that their daughter dies in the future, they are horrified and their first thought (besides killing off the other kids for failing to protect her) is to return and make sure that she's alright.
- Fifty Two: which revolves around several climactic battles of good versus evil to determine the fate of Earth and the universe as a whole, Alan Scott has to deal with the fact that his daughter died during the just-passed Infinite Crisis, and no parent should ever have to outlive his child.
- One Lord Of The Rings fanfic dealt with a young Aragorn (who was adopted and raised by Elrond) being kidnapped from Elrond's very bedroom. It didn't help when we see from the perspective of the kidnapper, how he actually lived and worked in Rivendell for some time, standing over Aragorn as he slept, thinking about killing the boy right then and there. It really didn't help when we find out that he buried Aragorn alive. Thank goodness Legolas saved him in time.
- Supernatural: Sam Winchester was taken by a man who preys upon children in the school's playground when John happened to be preoccupied, despite attentively watching Sam. The detail that the assailant had already kidnapped several other children by luring them away from their watchful parents was disturbing.
- Wouldn't you do anything so that your little boy has a chance to be born into this world so you can love him, take care of him and watch him grow up? Let that sink in before the next time you laugh at Anakin Skywalker.
- The Night Of The Hunter. You want to help those children. You can't, because it's a movie.
- The Brood. David Cronenberg made it while going through a custody battle with his ex-wife, and it shows.
- Coraline - see its entry in the literature section.
- In Lilo And Stitch, the fact that the orphaned Nani and Lilo have to depend entirely on each other is tough enough... but when Lilo gets taken away by Cobra Bubbles because Nani has been deemed an insufficient guardian is just heartwrenching.
- Just about any movie featuring the Holocaust does this, but a particularly chilling example comes from The Pianist: there's a scene where a Nazi soldier orders a group of men to lie face down on the ground. He then goes down the line and shoots them all, one by one. The idea of being one of the men near the far end of the line, knowing what's happening and waiting to die is nail-biting for anybody...but the fact that this actually happened, to real people, is even more terrifying.
- What makes this scene absolutely grating is when the soldier runs out of bullets when he reaches the last guy. Cue the guy on the ground looking around with a mixture of confusion and hope while the soldier takes a moment to casually reload his pistol before shooting him in the head as well.
- Ponyo On A Cliff By The Sea: where Sousuke finds his mother's car after the storm and she isn't in it. Any child knows how scary it must be to discover that their parents went missing and any parent knows how scary it must be to not be there for their child.
- Despite being played for laughs, there's also Fujimoto's fears for Ponyo and attempts to get her back. His daughter has basically run away from home and her safety and wellbeing is being left in the hands of strangers who he believes are horrible creatures.
- Crazy Heart When Bad loses Buddy in the mall, it's hard to decide what is scarier for him: what might have happened to the boy, or what his mother will do to him when she finds out.
- Changeling is full of this.
- An American Crime is basically the worst fear of every parent who left their child in the care of a friend's family.
In response to the Evangelion entry: I wrote the first paragraph, had nothing to do with the second. I think it explores themes that are very disturbing to any adult viewer; as listed above, alienation, severe depression, the inability to communicate with others, hurting, being hurt by, losing or being unable to help the people we care about - these are all very much Adult Fears. I would like to put the first paragraph back into the article.
Why take out the Lilo and Stitch example? It is a pretty good example of an Adult Fear and gives details.
Someone please explain the page quote to an idiot like me? It's driving me mad.
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Thank you! I came in here to post the same thing.
Maybe it means the little girl's never been to a supermarket before? Ever?
Thank you! I came in here to post the same thing.
Maybe it means the little girl's never been to a supermarket before? Ever?
But there's lots of stuff in a supermarket. Never having noticed a grapefruit before (far from a popular food in Australia, where this troper lives, although it could be different in other places) is not that surprising. I don't know what a grapefruit looks like either, and I certainly haven't been abused.
But grapefruit are the only thing protecting us from the Devouring Eye! If you've never seen grapefruit that means IT'S ALREADY TAKEN YOUR SOUL!
I, uh ... is that the answer to the question or just some joke for the heck of it?
That episode of Are You Afraid of the Dark where the little mute girl is sent to grandmothers while her mother goes to take care of her father; the girl gets chased home and locked in her room by bullies. Her mother doesn't return for weeks.
I'm not sure A Clockwork Orange belongs here - the main character in A Clockwork Orange isn't a political dissident, he's a murdering sociopathic rapist who happens to like classical music. The real adult fear in that people like him exist, not that the government is trying to silence people like him.
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, this is now a disambiguation page.
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