The section about abortion and divorce is an edit war waiting to happen. We should probably just drop it entirely.
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I think Real Life is a subjective example and should be taken out.
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What's the difference between this trope and Knight in Sour Armor? Once someone gives a satisfactory explanation, please add it to the Canonical List of Subtle Trope Distinctions.
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Knight in Sour Armor is a character while A World Half Full is a setting. Also, A World Half Full really does suck, but improves slightly over time while a Knight in Sour Armour is clearly good, but has a bad attitude.
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Can anyone explain to me why a picture of what I assume is modern-day Manhattan and a quote about 9/11 are included in this page?
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Well, the implication is that the terrorist bombings of 9/11 brought conflict and hardship, and America's optimistic perseverence qualifies Real Life America for the trope. I agree that it's somewhat unclear at first glance. Also, the message, picture, and caption are kind of glurgy, I think, and of a very subjective nature. Anyone have an idea for a better pic?
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Could someone please explain to me how Ratchet And Clank objectively doesn't meet the definition of Crapsack World as provided on that trope's page? I admit I've only played part of the first game... but I can't find a spot there where it doesn't match up. Its universe is a pretty awful place where the greedy and wicked thrive, senseless violence is the order of the day, and it's only begun to get better because of the title duo's actions, pruning off the wickedness. There may be something I'm missing, but the only explanation I've ever heard is that it was "Comedic" or "Played for Laughs"... which is allowed for in the trope. There are other comedic examples of Crapsack World that are untouched, as well, like Destroy All Humans or Overlord. I'm tempted to reinstate it, but maybe I am in the wrong here... and even if I'm not, we need to do something or it will just end up an Edit War.
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This image was needlessly pulled for being Just A Face And A Caption in a discussion that is now locked
despite the fact that the context of the trope is obvious from the image alone:
Meaning it's not JAFAAC, it's just an image from a work "they've never heard of". What makes it more ridiculous is that the JAFAAC proponents wanted to replace it with an Anime image (how original!) whose context was no more, or less, clear than this image. While other posters suggested a literal interpretation of the trope title as an image. One person said to "pull it" with no discussion, so I'm putting it back up. Unless someone wants to discuss it first...
A JAFAAC is one in which "Nobody who isn't a fan of the show will get who this character is, or how they fit the trope and the caption just won't be funny to them. The point of the page image is to provide a quick, sharp visual representation of the trope..." In other words, a JAFAAC is a picture where the trope is not obvious from visual context (e.g. two bundled-up refugees standing in an ice-encrusted palace). The fact that a work is more or less popular is irrelevant to its suitability for a good image, if it encapsulates the trope.
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I haven't seen Dr. Zhivago, and I was completely puzzled by the image until I read the caption. It's not clear that they're trapped there, or even indeed that they're a couple. Even knowing both of those things, it's not really clear that the work as a whole is dark enough to fit this trope; works well on the idealistic end of things feature couples dying in each other's arms, even treating it as a romantic "happy ending."
If this needs an image, I'd go with something from a Holocaust film. Or there might be anime out there, just because of the reliance of that medium on clear imagery, but not that image.
My posts make considerably more sense read in the voice of John Ratzenberger.
The entry for Idiocracy, as written, is out of place with this trope, being fairly negative in tone, anD I suspect shoehorning. Regardless, if anyone thinks they can salvage it and make it a true World Half Full example, here the entry is, in it's entirety;
- Idiocracy: Set in a future in which humanity is hopelessly stupid, and have a lot of problems that could be easily solved, such as watering crops with a Gatorade-like substance. Unfortunately, everyone in this society is too stupid to fix the problems until the "Army's most average man" arrives in this future by becoming a Human Popsicle. He is able become president and propose solutions, but even he can't fix every problem.
The concept of a world being "grimbright" disgusts me and I truly hope the word is abolished.
How lazy do you have to be to take those two completely opposite words and just slam them together? The term "grimdark" is already grossly misused to describe "it's too edgy and grim for me to enjoy it" and now "grimbright" is a way to validate that by saying "here's when you make something grim but not too grim." It's But Not Too Black applied to literature/fantasy/fiction.
The only common use it seems to have is among heavy nerd circles and Warhammer fans. I only found articles describing it here, on reddit, Space Battles, and 1d4chan.
I fear that like "noob" and "SJW" it's going to leak into everyday use, and like "edgy" and "ironic" it's going to be misapplied every single time.
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