Discussion Literature / ChroniclesOfTheKencyrath

I'm guessing, since both kjnoren and I have added Honor's Paradox spoilered entries in the main page, we'll do it that way.

I'd suggest making a subpage for it. And a very obvious note on the Main page that since all of the content of that subpage is from eARCs and the book won't be officially released until November that the whole subpage is one huge spoiler. That way, the whole entry doesn't need to be spoilered out for the next three months.

Then that's what I'll do. I'll move the couple of things already in here to that and start working on it in earnest.

Come the end of the year or so we can then migrate things back.

Personally, I think Compelling Voice fits better, but the trope description is arguably too narrow. But that's a problem with the trope description.

Compelling Voice strikes me as a more accurate fit to the command ability of strong Shanir Highborn — e.g. Jame, Gorbel, Caldane.

Good question. It sorta fits (in the explanatory subversion sense), but I wouldn't add it due to the following.

First, it's very much backstory. Second, Ganth had lots of other issues besides his abysmal relationship with Greshan and his father (his berserker tendency, his reactions and sometimes obsession to women like Jamethiel and Rawneth). Third, you have the massacre of the Knorth women.

Freudian Excuse doesn't have to be the only reason he's like he is.

"the villain had a crapsack childhood, making them insane and warping their perception on the universe,... The villain is as horrible as ever, only now the audience can look at them in a new way ... the Freudian Excuse does not involve the character growing or changing; it explains why they haven't changed, and in fact, often serves as a signal that they could not and never will. ... A third subversion is to simply present it as an explanation rather than a full excuse. Sometimes the author simply shows what warped the character into what they became without expecting the audience to feel any more sympathetic toward the character"

A bit late (didn't notice this question) but I agree with Madrugada here. I don't think Freudian Excuse has to mean "Without these things, he would have been without major flaws" but rather "These things turned him into a monster, even if he would have been a deeply flawed man without them."

Tentir and Mount Alban are both Academies of Adventure, just in different ways. Tentir is dangerous and Mount Alban is just weird. The calmness with which the Mount Alban scholars deal with riding out the weirdingstrom indicates that it wasn't just a one time event and they're accustomed to dealing with strange goings-on.

Question on moving Evil Is Sexy to the YMMV page. Is it lampshaded or invoked — is Rawneth described as darkly seductive (or something similar)? If so, it can stay on the main page, can't it?

Did a concordance search of the e-books, and found the following quotes in T Ra R, chapter 22:

"That's Rawneth, she [Jame] thought, gulping down green nausea. Young, beautiful, and oh, so hungry. But for what?"

"She [Rawneth] had always wanted to see the Knorth quarters, especially those of the Knorth Matriarch. Would he [Ganth] show her? How her dark eyes glittered behind her mask, how red those thin lips against that white skin. Her finger-tips, long nailed, caressed his cheek and he shuddered, torn between desire and repulsion, hardly knowing which stirred him more. Show me. Please?"

As for Kallystine:

"Ah, Kallystine, so beautiful, so vicious." (Do TM, chapter 2)

"Full skirt iridescent with lizard scales; low cut bodice insecurely laced with gold; the white swell of breasts; ivory throat, fluttering mask of gold tissue, perhaps a shade more opaque than usual" (Seeker's Mask, Interim VI)

"It was strange that he [Torisen] had ever felt attracted to that gilded lady or, for that matter, that he thought of her with such aversion now. Both emotions seemed unreasonably strong, especially in that he preferred not to feel strongly about anyone: it was too much like being in their power." (Seeker's Mask)

As for doing a "book-by-book" separation, I did a quick check. Most tropes seems to appear in two or more books, especially now that Bi B has appeared.

Girl Genius does a straight alphabetical list, with folders, but I don't think that's a good way. I like the system in Buffy The Vampire Slayer better.

That way we can also dismantle the Characters page and fold it back to the main page.

I'd really prefer to keep the characters page separate. It allows for a more detailed breakdown and a more complete listing of the tropes used, especially considering how characters are introduced (bringing new tropes with them), play their part, then fade out of prominence in a later book.