Hey, considering how many tropes are specifically detailing the many uses of Vibranium, should all appropriate tropes possibly be moved from here to MCU: Wakanda Government & Military or even Marvel Cinematic Universe?
I don't know why the article is locked (nor am I sure if I want to), but I've got another Artistic License – History entry for youse:
- Artistic License – History: In the prologue, one can briefly see a soldier wearing a Pith helmet overseeing a chained slave convoy embarking a wooden ship. This is clearly an abstraction of several centuries of African history, uniting imagery from both the European powers' late 19th century Scramble for Africa (during which the Pith helmet was popularised) and the European transatlantic slave trade (which had all but dried up by the 1830s).
Which MCU movie do you think Black Panther serves as a Spiritual Antithesis to? Much like GOTG was the Antithesis to the Avengers, and Doctor Strange was one to Iron Man to Thor. I would say that BP is a Spiritual Antithesis to Captain America, due to their similar power sets and personalities, but VERY different backgrounds.
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That question's probably better saved for when the movie actually comes out, and even then I'm not sure if it will ever be a trope that applies.
Black Panther is most like Thor...royalty, has a powerful dad to live up to, heads a secret civilization with advanced technology. Only Thor isn't ruling Asgard, while T'Challa is going to be King. So there you go.
I dont think Black Panther is most like Thor because Thor was about pride and humbling one self to be a better person. Black Panther is about a better person making up for the mistakes of his hero ( his father) and changing his Kingdom to be part of the World. I dont think Black Panther has Spiritual Antithesis in theMCU.
Maybe I’m just ignorant of how economics work, but wouldn’t it be pretty impossible for a country to have a good economy if they didn’t engage in foreign trade and didn’t accept foreign aid? That sounds kind of like the North Korean economy, to me.
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It's also pretty impossible to have 7 Ph Ds, be resurrected 70 years after crashing into an iceberg, and build a fusion reactor in a cave with a box of scraps.
You have to remember that Wakanda is supremely self-sufficient. They've got efficient farms, hyper-advanced medical tech, and an economy that, so far, seems to be doing a-ok without outside investment. You don't need outside crops if you can grow them more efficiently than any of your neighbors, or even most first-world countries, and you don't need to rely on external buyers for Wakanda if you're sitting on a vast, near-infinite source of vibranium that's passed around plenty.
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I have issues with Artistic License – Military:
Military brass, intelligence agencies, and boots on the ground are often not so compartmentalized that the soldier that carries out the orders he's been given doesn't have any clue why he or she are doing the things they're doing. The idea put forth is that Killmonger is so used to destroying symbols of succession that he does it to Wakanda instinctively; it's not being said that he was trained to specifically destroy succession, just that he's so familiar with the tactics of military brass that atrocities are natural to him.
That isn't far-fetched. Soldiers are often indoctrinated with contempt and hatred for an enemy people, government or regime, and become accustomed to performing acts (whether trained or on their own initiative) to destroy or destabilize it. Even if the military brass or the CIA designed the acts to destroy symbol of successions, it is often the soldiers who either it do it themselves or secure it for agents to.
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Didn't Ross specifically say that's what he was trained for? Not just "He's done it so often it's second nature" but "He was trained to do just that, and he is a very good student" or some such.
Edited by Eagal You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
I tried to google his exact wording, but couldn't find it with the limit amount of time I had.
If someone can find it, it'd be appreciated.
Especially since Ross says that Killmonger's team worked specifically with the CIA. It would be fairly obvious after the first few missions that the CIA follows some kind of basic pattern in how to destabilize a region.
I am not too sure about the Anti-Villain entry for Killmonger. He hasn't earned his nickname for nothing, and is clearly described as a remorseless killer, besides the killing he's doing on-screen (including his girlfriend).
The "nobility" of his cause can also easily be put to doubt, as he seems motivated more by bitterness and making the whole world suffer, as is pointed out by a few other tropes.
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Absolutely. He doesn't fit anywhere on TV Tropes' own Sliding Scale of Anti-Villains. There's certainly an argument he's a Well-Intentioned Extremist, but even that should be tempered by the fact that he directly admits he doesn't care whether or not his plan could work.
I have removed it pending further opinions. For the record:
- Anti-Villain: Turns out that Erik Killmonger has some pretty noble goals and even goes about getting the power he needs in ways that entirely respect Wakandan law and tradition. In fact in the end T'Challa decides that Killmonger was right that Wakanda should be trying to make the world a better place, though he chooses a different method.
I think he's more Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds, although that trope doesn't really fit a human character. But I think it's clear that while his father may have truly believed in freeing black people from oppression through violence - and thus works as an Anti-Villain or even Anti-Hero - Killmonger himself uses the cause more to enact vengeance.
I think the best fits are He Who Fights Monsters or Well-Intentioned Extremist. Probably with some Not So Different in there.
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Hey just out of curiosity, who rules on and posts those little stinger quips at page bottom? Is it just the admins or some sort of ballot voting?
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Not certain, but I think you can just throw it on there. Standard rules of consensus apply.
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
- Sadly Mythtaken: The Jabari apparently worship Hanuman, a Hindu monkey god. (Wakanda can be forgiven for worshiping the Egyptian goddess Bast, as Wakanda doesn't appear to be too far away from Egypt geographically and it's possible some religious osmosis has happened over the millennia — but Hanuman?)In fairness, historically India has traded with East Africa, making the worship of a Hindu God plausible.
Pulled from the trope list for Wiki Schizophrenia. Either the Hanuman thing is implausible or it isn't; if there's disagreement, this is the place to discuss it, not in the trope list.
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I think it's unusual, but not implausible (see the explanation given). Maybe we could go with Crossover Cosmology instead?
I'm gonna disagree with part of Bittersweet Ending. For a few reasons.
- Killmonger asked and was told the garden of the heart shaped herb was all of the herb there was before he ordered it burned. There was nothing that indicated whether the priestess was telling the truth or not, even after his display of strength.
- Also, Wakanda is technologically superior to many countries, and these inferior countries do seed banking of important and necessary plant life. It would fly in the face of that technological prowess for Wakanda to have not done the same, especially when it is considered a blood right of kings, and a tenet of their belief system. Further it'd just be foolish to tie the supply down like that even if they worried about would be usurpers taking the herb for power.
Unfortunately, these points are all speculation. What we have is what the movie stated as such. While it's certainly possible they lied to Killmonger, we don't know that they did. It's possible they banked the seeds, or that the herb still grows in the wild somewhere, what we can say for a fact is that what was in the sanctuary is all the known herb there was.
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
Does anybody else find this movie to be willfully ignorant to certain parts of history?