Probably Your Mileage May Vary, but I thought that Evey didn't get Promoted to Love Interest - I thought both Comic Evey and Movie Evey were in love with V. In fact, Comic Evey's interactions with V seemed a lot more genuine and a lot more loving than Movie Evey's. She argued with him, sure, but she also kissed him, danced with him and begged him to not be dead. Either way, V also professed his love to her, so there was definitely love between the two of them.
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Comic Evey openly questioned if V was her father more than once and spent half the time terrified of him. There was also one brief moment in which she questioned if he was even male or not. I never got the impression that Evey was in love with him.
The dancing, kising, and the part in which V professed his love for her were only in the movie.
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Still Forecharmer
Whenever V comes up under a spoiler, it is pretty obvious that its him because of his One-Letter Name. Does anyone know if there is something else we could call him for the spoilers?
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Pulled the following because of Conversation In The Main Page:
- Black-and-Gray Morality: It doesn't get much bleaker than a choice between a Neo-Nazi regime which has killed nearly all the non-white, non-"Christian" and LGBT residents of Britain, and an insane terrorist who blows up buildings to prove a point. And there's nowhere to run to because the rest of the world has been obliterated by nuclear war. The movie makes it more black and white as V's ultimate goals become less extreme and the only thing he does which really crosses the Moral Event Horizon is making Evey endure the torture he experienced at Larkhill (minus the medical experiments). And the nuclear war set-up is replaced with a pandemic, making it all seem less dire.
- On the other hand, the choice is between a genocidal government of fascists that treats all of its citizens like cattle and whom the vast majority are irredeemable bastards, and the (incredibly charismatic) guy who only lost his sanity after said regime used him for experimentation fodder, and who we first see rescuing a young girl from government hired rapists. And there are no other options because the government kills any even slightly critical. Certainly it's not black and white, but it's not subtle that our sympathies are obviously supposed to be with V.
- V's A Lighter Shade of Grey.
- And we're not necessarily supposed to find V's solution better, as one of the most sympathetic characters in the original was Mr. Finch, who believed that, despite its faults, order was far better for a society than chaos, and that Norsefire had indeed saved Britain from nuclear war fallout it might not have otherwise survived.
- The change from nuclear to biological weapons was intentional. Alan Moore has later stated that he overestimated England's ability to survive even a limited nuclear war. Science Marches On, you know.
- Depending on your interpretation, the crowd we see at the end is symbolic of Evey's "V was all of us" comment. It contains several people who were killed during or before the events of the film, including Evey's parents, Valerie, Gordon, and the little girl whose death kicked off the whole riot.
- It would have been pretty straightforward, too, if the Palace had been shown to collapse in on itself, as may be expected from an explosion occurring in a hollow subterranean space. Its only because the directors opted for a large, fiery explosion that this trope emerges.
- On the other hand, the choice is between a genocidal government of fascists that treats all of its citizens like cattle and whom the vast majority are irredeemable bastards, and the (incredibly charismatic) guy who only lost his sanity after said regime used him for experimentation fodder, and who we first see rescuing a young girl from government hired rapists. And there are no other options because the government kills any even slightly critical. Certainly it's not black and white, but it's not subtle that our sympathies are obviously supposed to be with V.
This example doesn't seem to match the trope as described:
- Strawman Political: The movie is especially guilty of this but the book isn't entirely innocent either, having the Thatcher administration symbolized by neo-Nazis is a wee bit of stretch. In the foreword of the collected series, Moore explains it by mentioning a number of potential policies Thatcher was "planning" (concentration camps for gays and AIDS victims) that are unproven rumors at best.
Wild Mass Guessing belongs on that page, not the main page, as far as I know. Putting it here for the time being (in case it's okay to keep it):
It's also possible that she had been married off to some Noresfire loyalist who went unmentioned, and was the preferred candidate because she was as-then the first unmarried female heir in line to the throne.
Removed the Evil Sounds Deep and Heroic Sociopath examples too. If V is portrayed more sympathetically in the movie, it doesn't make sense if his actor was cast to make him seem more evil. And Heroic Sociopath is a form of Comic Relief, which V most certainly isn't.
The 'egg in a basket' thing is getting nattery. Situation: I know it. I eat it for breakfast. I ate it when I was a child. I'm British. I call it toad in a hole, I've also heard it called 'hole in one' or 'egg in a hole'.
Another British troper (plus Stephen Fry and Alan Moore) seems to have never heard of it. And they think it's American.
So, how do we write the entry? Is it Did Not Do The Research or not?
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The guy says in the movie that's what his mother used to call it. Maybe his mother was just odd like that.
Pulling it from the page for now, just to avoid more natter:
- Did Not Do The Research: V makes a dish called "eggy in a basket," which Alan Moore summed up thusly: "Now the US have eggs in a basket, which is fried bread with a fried egg in a hole in the middle. I guess they thought we must eat that as well, and thought eggy in a basket was a quaint and Olde Worlde version." Alan Moore's objection is a bit odd, though, since Brits do eat this for breakfast and call it "Toad in a Hole." (Toad in the Hole more often describes a sausage dish.)
- This British Troper has never heard of "toad in A hole" in her life. It's definitely not common enough that you could make a statement like "Brits do eat this for breakfast" or find it odd that Alan Moore hasn't heard of it. They might have been around in the past (as mentioned below), but it's certainly not a common dish these days.
- Except the statement "Brits do eat this for breakfast" was also made by a British Troper. Possibly it's a regional thing?
- It's especially odd because it was much used during egg rationing to imitate the look of a fried egg. The dried egg became the yellow yolk, and the white bread the white. Probably a recipe his parents didn't use — it doesn't appear in cookbooks much, people tend to just learn it from watching Mum and Dad cook breakfast.
But since at least some Brits seem to have heard of and eaten the dish in question, the passage does seem to be a case of Did Not Do The Research. The next question is what it's (most often, perhaps) called in the UK ...
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Brit Trash
'Executive Meddling: It apparently spawned the title itself.'
This is not clearly explained. Explanation?
Did you see the stylish kids in the riot?
Just a note about the work description- there's a mention that the film "added superpowers for V". I've not read the book in a while, but wasn't book V also implied to have some superpowers (albeit, they where much more low-key, and displayed less often than in the slo-mo fight scene heavy film)? I'm sure in the book that he kills one victim by apparently forcing his fingers through their chest and into their heart, a feat that the detectives investigating V note to be explicitly superhuman.