In the final episode MIB confirms he has been having his fun with her now and again. Indicating that he was raping her. Also when being repaired she shows no indication of scalping. Also he never stated he went evil the last year, only that he went into further extremes to see if he could still feel. His wife knew what kind of things he got up to during his visits to the park . Multiple visits, which lead to her suicide.
I'd say we're definitely supposed to assume that's the case in the first episode, but I think it's then intentionally vague whether it's true or not.
I'll probably edit this when I see the finale, though.
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Now that we know he wasn't behind the host revolution, that first scene is probably exactly what it looked like. (though there's room for a retcon) I don't think his talk of adventures with Dolores was referring 'exclusively' to rape, though. I think he's probably done everything with Dolores that a guest can possibly do, good and horrific.
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^^^ His wife knew what kind of man he was, not necessarily what he did. There's a difference.
Having seen the finale, I don't think it should go in. Rape as Drama, sure, but the thing is the one time this is shown with Dolores it's very explicitly a "special" situation. His Motive Rant says that he would "come to see her, but eventually grew bored of her" actually kind of implies that he acted like William and not the Man In Black, if anything.
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I imagine that it was a more gradual progression. He probably went home, got married and became the CEO of his father-in-law's company. He then returned to Westworld to try to recreate his love affair with Dolores but realized that it was all scripted and she would always be reset and forget him. Love turned into resentment and he started twisting the narrative in order to get a different outcome but in the end everything would reset once again.
If he indeed raped Dolores, it was probably a one time thing as part of him testing just how low he can go and still not feel anything.
Context seem to be in effect. In the first episode he actually said he wanted her to fight back when he attacked her. He also mentions he liked she had more spirit this time. Indicators that he had done this before in multiple occasions. Another factor his re-aquainting himself. The first time they aquainted themselves was sexually. Dragging her into the barn and closing the barn door for privacy intones assault.
See, the more we discuss this the more Fridge Brilliance I see and the less I think this actually was a regular thing. His entire Evil Plan is to get the hosts to be able to fight back. So of course he wants to see her fight back. He wants her to be able to kill him.
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Fine, I've been rewriting the first act as "implied" or "heavily implied rape" because there's certainly a strong, deliberate suggestion about it , and also removing the mentions about it being a recurrent thing since there's not enough proof, just inference as I said, and some fridge thinking indeed.
Sure it's not past him, or so we are led to believe -he is a villain after all-, so the lines that label him a rapist in general are kept.
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... wait, was that in doubt? Really?
Oh yeah. I am totally 200% for him raping her in that scene (that... came out weird. You know what I mean). It's the "serial" part I genuinely doubt.
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I never doubted that part myself (the first scene) but you can read in the trivia and main articles some editors bringing up the offscreen element and the lack of oficial confirmation on the subject, so a little discussion seemed in order.
This entry doesn't seem confirmed and needs more textual evidence.
It's heavily implied he does this in the first episode, but the inferrence about the 30 years and even the outcome of that first violent act becomes weaker later on, with the nature of their interactions seemingly going beyond that (He seems only interested in scalping : she knew Arnold, he starts the quest for the maze right with her, and then goes straight to Kissy), and according to him, he's only been truly evil in the last year, after his wife died. Before that, he just followed Ford's stories in a somewhat dull way.
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