He never functioned in the story on the scale of the show's actual Big Bad. At best, he functioned on the scale of one of Salem's subordinates, but really he was subordinate even to them. His plot line was also treated as a personal character growth for only two characters and as a sub-section of the main plot. He's covered by General Failure but I don't think his scope was large enough for Big Bad Wannabe.
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.He tries to be the big bad even though he failed and small scale is what the wannabe part is
Nothing wrong with the entries, just a question of whether these should be Good Counterpart or Evil Counterpart. Looking at the trope description, it says that if the evil character is introduced first, then it becomes Good Counterpart on the part of the other characters. So, I think these entries need to be moved to Yang, Sun and Ilia's character sheets and relabelled as Good Counterpart because Adam was introduced before any of them (even Yang since he was introduced in the third trailer, and she was introduced in the fourth).
It seems kinda weird, but that seems to be how the naming of the trope works. What do people think?
Adam's entry:
- Evil Counterpart:
- To Ilia. Both have suffered at the hands of humanity and desire revenge, supporting the White Fang's violent terrorism. However, Ilia genuinely cares about the Faunus' plight and eventually comes to her senses, whereas Adam is a spiteful prick who just wants to lash out at the world that hurt him, only cares about himself and what he wants, and uses his race's plight as an excuse to get away with murder and pursuit of his own power. In many ways, Adam represents what Ilia could have become had she allowed her hatred and rage at humanity to consume her.
- He also serves as one to Sun. Adam is a spiteful, murdering, sociopathic Jerkass who seeks to make Blake pay for leaving him, but Sun is a mischievous but good-hearted Nice Guy who goes after Blake out of concern for her well-being, even willing to put up with abuse she throws his way to do so. Adam eventually becomes the head of the entire White Fang, whereas Sun sees them as a cult. Blake has commented to Yang that Adam sought to control her and make her feel as small as he was, while to Sun she admits that he helped save her from herself and that she wishes to be there for Ilia the way Sun was for her. When their time together with Blake comes to an end, Adam is unable to let go and will keep pursuing her until he either has her for himself or one of them dies; Sun is willing to steer her back to the people she should really be with and let her go once she no longer needs him. Finally, Adam has a very dark color motif, whereas Sun's is very bright.
- He's also one to Yang. Similar Semblances aside, they also have the benefit of having part of their body horribly disfigured and having Blake run away from them. The difference is Yang eventually got past her PTSD and learned to forgive Blake, while Adam did neither and allowed his hatred and feelings of spite to destroy him.
Not familiar with the work but I'd agree with that assessment.
Feels good, don't it?As per another troper's suggestion further down the discussion page, I've added a commented-out note to Adam's section explaining that Freudian Excuse and Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse have been discussed in the past and found to not apply (where his scar is concerned). The reason for adding the note is due to the two tropes repeatedly being added despite past discussions. The note reads as follows:
- Freudian Excuse and Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse have been discussed several times in the past and found not to apply for Adam (with regards to his scar). Before adding either of these two tropes, please see the Discussion Page. If you think there's a discussion point that hasn't been raised or considered in the past, please start a discussion on the Discussion Page before adding the tropes to the page.
Clarification: this is regarding using his scar and the history behind it as the excuse in question.
Edited by Wyldchyld If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Does the trope Villainous Breakdown apply to Adam, and if so, would it only apply to the one before his death? Or can all the times Adam has lost his cool be considered mini-eruptions that all contribute to one massive breakdown?
Hide / Show RepliesI think you've hit the core of the problem there. The trope only seems to be relevant to characters who are normally calm and collected as characters. So, thanks to how calm, collected and sure of herself Salem or Watts tend to be, they'd be candidates for the trope if they begin unravelling due to loss of control and things turning against them.
Adam, however, is unhinged. He has a meltdown every time he doesn't get his way. The fact he has all these mini-breakdowns suggests he's not calm and collected enough in the first place for the trope to apply. The fact he's not mentally stable is touched on a couple of times in the show (particularly by the Albain brothers and Blake). I'd therefore be inclined to say the trope doesn't apply to him, but it would be interesting to see what other people think.
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Wyldchild will you just fuck off with your mini essay paragraphs. Not everything needs to be War and Peace for God's sake.
Hide / Show RepliesSomeone needs a Snickers.
Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.I think you should be grateful the mods only let you off with a simple notifier. There are better ways to hash out your issues with another troper. This isn't one of them.
"They played us like a DAMN FIDDLE!" — Kazuhira Miller, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain- Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse: While one can feel sympathy for his branding and understand how it led him to hate humans, it is made clear that this does not justify any of his actions.
Okay, Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse keeps being added to Adam's entry, claiming that he's using his SDC scar to justify his behaviour towards Blake.
The problem is, that never happens.
He only mentions the scar to dismiss it — he's making the point that Blake has hurt him more than anything else ever has. He's using Blake dumping him (and leaving him 'alone') as the excuse for his behaviour, not the scar. The subject of him hating humans never comes up because he's too busy trying to kill Blake for not being his girlfriend any more.
If Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse is in any way relevant to Adam, then it's about him claiming that Blake's behaviour is the 'justification' for how he keeps behaving. The problem with dumping this under Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse is that this is typical Domestic Abuser behaviour — and Domestic Abuser and Why Did You Make Me Hit You? are already listed in his character section.
Edited by Wyldchyld If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading. Hide / Show RepliesPerhaps we should add a commented out notice saying to refer to the discussion page before adding either Freudian Excuse and Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse.
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!Should we even keep this page around if the show isn't gonna be introducing new members any time soon?
Hide / Show RepliesWhen the character pages were rearranged, people wanted the White Fang page kept.
The White Fang is part of the first five volumes of the show. That doesn't change just because long-time fans have moved on to later volumes, and the role these characters play in the show (to date) are based around the White Fang.
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.So, whats our stance on Amity Arena being used for info? Cause Adam's profile gives a bit more to the incident that gave him his brand, while implying he Used to Be a Sweet Kid before sliding into Then Let Me Be Evil.
Here's the entry for reference: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/rwby/images/8/89/Amity_arena_adam_card1.png/revision/latest?cb=20190509111601 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/rwby/images/6/60/Amity_arena_adam_card2.png/revision/latest?cb=20190509111628
Vegeta: I'm back bitches! Hide / Show RepliesSeems like Arena is an official game by the creators, so I see no reason not to use it. It's got my vote.
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!Might need some thinking about. Someone went through Adam's entry changing the Beauty and the Beast references to Adam being compared to Gaston instead of the Beast, while those Amity Arena cards make it clear the Beast comparison is legitimate.
I don't know the source of the Gaston reference.
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.This has been added to Adam's entry:
- Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse: Adam has a good reason to hate the Schnee Dust Company and maybe even humanity in general, but it's clear that this doesn't remotely justify the sheer spitefulness of his actions, as Blake and her family are clearly presented as a preferable alternative and Blake explicitly condemns his motives in spite of what he's gone through.
This has been pulled to the discussion page before, but no discussion happened.
The trouble with this trope is that he actually doesn't use the SDC as a justification for his behaviour. The only thing he does use to justify his behaviour is Blake leaving him, and that's covered by Why Did You Make Me Hit You??
Edited by Wyldchyld If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading. Hide / Show RepliesI hadn't realized it had been pulled before. My apologies. Does the character need to explicitly use it as justification or can its usage not be inferred, as long as the accusing character rightly calls it out? If the former is the case, I'm fine with your reasoning and won't object to deleting it.
Edited by Eagal You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!The implications come mostly by proxy. It's effectively Blake who implies the connection between how he's been treated in the past with how he views the world and humanity now. When the audience sees his face, it's easy to make the connection. I think the entry just needs to be reworded. It tends to be written from the audience perspective — us making the connection with his face. However, it's supposed to be an objective trope, meaning we need to be pulling from the show, rather than our perceptions of the show.
What I'm trying to say is something like the following (but I suggest someone else rewrite it to be a better entry since I'm just thinking on the hoof here):
- Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse: Blake initially describes Adam as a person who began with good intentions but who descended slowly into a monster, but she is shocked to learn during the Battle of Beacon that Adam has never been interested in equality between Faunus and Humans. She later tells Sun that she believes that Adam is spite personified, seeking to hurt humanity for hurting him. When High Leader Sienna and Adam argue about how the White Fang should be used to obtain equality for the Faunus, Sienna is horrified to learn that Adam reveals that he believes Faunus are superior to humanity and that he wants humanity broken beneath his feet and serving the Faunus. He has to murder Sienna to achieve this goal but his willingness to abandon his men to benefit himself causes even the White Fang to eventually turn on him. It's eventually revealed that Adam has been left disfigured with an SDC logo that has been burned across his face like a cattle brand. When Adam confronts Blake and Yang at Argus, he tries to dismiss his scarring as insignificant compared to the hurt Blake has caused by rejecting him. However, his violence drove her away and Yang observes that Blake only made promises to the man he was pretending to be instead of the man he really was. At no point does any character condone his actions or consider his beliefs to be justified, not even the characters who know of his past suffering.
Based on that, it seems like I was wrong in the first place and it's not an example.
If Adam considers what Blake (in his mind) did to him to be a greater motivation than what the Schnee Dust Company did to him, then he's trying to say Blake is the one at fault, which as you said is Why Did You Make Me Hurt You. I suppose we could say that Blake pointing out that she's not at fault is Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse, but it seems kinda eh.
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!Second. The trope does not apply since Adam does not use his past suffering — the actual suffering, anyway — as an excuse for his actions. Heck, his stated goals of instilling faunus supremacy and making Blake suffer cannot be logically excused by whatever he had been through. If the writers intended this trope or the vanilla Freudian Excuse to be in effect, then they didn't follow through.
Apathy is Death. Worse than Death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds beasts and insects.Overhauling Adam's Fairytale Motif entry: I think it's pretty clear by this point that Blake is meant to be BOTH the Beauty and the Beast. Arryn Zech flat out stated in a tweet that Blake is meant to be the Beauty and the Beast, and Adam is meant to be Gaston.
Having said that, I realize there are still things like Adam's rose motif and name that people feel makes him a reference to the Beast. With that in mind, please consider the following:
- The Rose doesn’t represent the Beast, it represents the CURSE afflicting the Beast. Likewise, reading Adam as a ‘Curse’ rather neatly describes his relationship with Blake through the series. His presence constantly haunts Blake, a thing she desperately wants to escape, and only by finding and accepting true love (here represented by Yang) can Blake break the curse.
- 'Adam' was the prince who was turned into the Beast, a man described as nothing but a cruel, selfish man who could never love another, which describes Adam's character quite nicely, and in present day, the Beast is trying to escape that past, just like Blake is trying to be free from her past with Adam.
Also, Adam being a bull faunus works better as an allusion to The Jungle Book: Originally in the novel, Shere Khan (Sienna Kahn here) dies by being trampled to death by buffalo.
'No matter how odd or quirky I may seem on the outside, deep deep down inside, there is something very dark and very evil. And it's watchi Hide / Show RepliesArryn would be Word of Saint Paul, not Word of God. Most of what you've written there looks like extrapolation or possibly Fridge.
That said, it depends on consensus. Personally, while I've heard that Blake is supposed to be Beauty and the Beast, I haven't heard the writers claim that Adam is Gaston as opposed to the Beast. It doesn't bother me either way. However, given how ingrained it is in the fandom that Adam is the Beast, it would probably help to have a citation.
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Adam's character section has this:
- Captain Ersatz: Oum specifically cited the Michael XIII from Ga-Rei -Zero- as inspiration for the design, and given the timing of Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance's release, made more than a few people draw comparison to the Murasama, another red-bladed Japanese sword characterized by lightning-quick draws done by shooting the sword out of the sheathe- a claim to which Monty responded by saying he hadn't heard of Sam prior to designing Wilt and Blush.
As far as I can tell, the entry should actually be this:
- Captain Ersatz: Oum specifically cited the Michael XIII from Ga-Rei -Zero- as inspiration for the design.
Everything else appears to have been debunked by Monty, if I'm reading the entry correctly, and therefore should be removed.
If so, what we're left with is a Zero Context Example, which is a problem. The entry claims that Adam was only 'inspired by' Michael XIII which is not the Captain Ersatz trope; as currently worded, the entry needs to be removed for trope misuse. For the trope to be in effect, Adam would need to be Michael XIII renamed as Adam Taurus to avoid 'copyright' issues.
I am not familiar with the work in question, so does anyone know the answer?
Edited by Wyldchyld If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.How about giving Adam the "Narcissist" label? I mean, he seems to be meet all the requirements from the trope description:
1. The character's personality is overtly permeated by his/her own grandiosity. The only time he shows any kind of humility is when he bows down to Sienna, which could easily be an act both times. He has Cinder an co. kneel before him during their first meeting, hands down orders from an elevated throne and his theme song is all about how he sees himself as some sort of great hero.
2. The character is self-absorbed to the point that they consistently prioritize their own desires at others' expense. YES
3. The character is extremely self-conscious of how he/she is perceived by others. He manages to build himself good publicity among the White Fang and he kept Blake largely ignorant of his, ekhem amoral tendencies for quite a while, showing that he knows a thing or two about manipulating people. Granted, almost everyone abandons him eventually, but that only comes after the Sanity Slippage. As for unwilligness to take responsibility part... "The Belladonna name has brought me nothing but grief"
4. The character has an insatiable appetite for acclaim and power. Definitely has a thing for power judging from how eager he is to replace Sienna as a high leader. As for acclaim, see the paragraph No.1.
I'm asking because it seems like something that would start a discussion (or, in the worst case, an Edit War) either way.
Edited by Tharkun140 Apathy is Death. Worse than Death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds beasts and insects. Hide / Show RepliesIt might be worth asking this question on the RWBY Forum thread. You'll probably get more responses and be able to judge better whether or not to apply the trope.
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Since I got basically ignored there, I'm just gonna go and add the trope. If someone disagrees with me, then so be it.
Apathy is Death. Worse than Death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds beasts and insects.So I was rewatching V5 today and noticed Ilia wears a glove on her right (weapon) hand, Does this protect her hand from her own weapon's electricity making it Required Secondary Powers or do we leave it off
Hide / Show RepliesThat's the fandom's theory, but we don't know for now.
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.The Dreaded example below was added to Adam, but removed on the grounds that the trope applies to the most plot significant one and not to just a personal enemy of an individual. It was re-added on the grounds that's not true, so I've put on the discussion page.
- The Dreaded: It's noted several times that Blake is scared of him, and during their fight at the Fall of Beacon she can barely put up a fight. He clearly terrifies others as well, his Tranquil Fury and his ability to always seem in control of the situation making him deeply intimidating. This finally ends during during their confrontation at Haven, precipitated by Blake realizing just how empty his motives and personality really are. Though he repeatedly tries to intimidate her his attempts fall flat, and how pathetic he truly is becomes clear to everyone present when he's quickly taken down and forced to retreat.
Okay, quoted directly from The Dreaded trope description:
Adam is one individual's personal enemy and nothing more and she's overcome her fear of him now, so he was only a temporary source of fear.
The only character in the entire story that classifies as the 'most feared person in the story' is Salem; at least two allies of the Big Good have betrayed him because of their terror of Salem, all the Benevolent Conspiracy members are afraid of her and handle their fear in different ways, the Big Good himself keeps trying to keep her existence a secret to prevent widespread panic and chaos, and her 'creations' have been described as fear itself. The Big Good himself has spent literally thousands of years trying to stop her, and the two allies of his who betrayed him did so because they're utterly convinced Salem cannot be defeated and that the Big Good is therefore just repeatedly getting people killed in a hopeless attempt to stop the unstoppable.
There is no other villain in the story that comes even close to the over-arching plot impact of Salem. Adam isn't even part of her inner circle: he's just a tool she's using for her own ends, and his story impact (in terms of being a feared character) has impacted only two characters at best.
Edited by Wyldchyld If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Does this apply to Adam?
- General Failure: As a warrior, Adam is a force to be reckoned with. As a leader, he's probably the worst thing that's ever happened to the White Fang; he's hot-tempered, spiteful and petty, with his growing mental instability leading him to make the supremely boneheaded decision to put a hit out on Blake's parents to hurt her. The failure of said assassination attempt, as detailed under Nice Job Fixing It, Villain, has all but doomed the White Fang.
Nope. If anything, the opposite is true. A General Failure is a leader who consistently loses in battle, and thus far, Adam has led his people to victory in every operation he's personally commanded. That he made a single bad strategic call doesn't qualify him as a General Failure; he has to consistently show he's constantly losing to be such.
I think there's an important distinction between Adam leading a team on the field and him giving out the operations to begin with. It's the difference between a Corporal leading his squad on the battlefield and the General coming up with the operation that the Corporal and his squad are fulfilling.
On one hand, he's very good at leading a team after someone like Sienna tells him where to go and who to kill. Once he has his orders, he's very good at commanding his troops and fulfilling them. But now he has the authority to come up with the orders himself, and he's using it to forward his vendetta against Blake to the detriment of the Fang.
He was at his best as Sienna Kahn's attack dog: now that he's off the leash, he's started snapping at things way bigger than he is and he's tunnelvisioned on a pointless vendetta and it's putting the whole pack in danger.
Even his quote-unquote 'victory' at the Battle of Beacon is slowly but surely coming back to bite him: ever since then his actions became harder and harder to justify, and it's all finally come to a head at the battle of the Belladonna Estate. Remember, Kahn was pissed about what he had done.
TLDR: Adam's a fantastic squad commander, but a sucky Grand Leader.
Being a poor overall commander doesn't necessarily make him a General Failure, however. A General Failure is a leader who is regularly and consistently failing, and I don't think we've seen enough of Adam thus far for him to count, since his only grand strategic move so far was the assassination order of the Belladonnas. If we counted everyone who made a single large strategic blunder, we'd pretty much be listing 90% of all villains as a General Failure.
I'd argue to at least wait a while and see if he consistently shows a streak of failures and screw-ups rather than jump and apply the trope to him at the first strategic blunder he makes. At the most, he's a General Ripper right now - a soldier who is overly obsessed with a single thing to the detriment of his troops and strategies. You could make a viable argument that he's an example of The Peter Principle: a competent fighter and leader who got promoted way past the point where he's effective.
Edited by ZaptechThe RWBY thread looks like it's come out on a consensus of needing to wait a while to see how Adam's role develops, that we just don't have enough information on him to claim he's the trope.
So, I say we drop it for now but revisit it if we do get information that there's a trend of failure forming.
Edited by Wyldchyld If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.So.... Since Ilia did a Heel–Face Turn and defected from the White Fang, should her entry be moved to Kingdoms, moved to Friends and Allies, or left here?
Vegeta: I'm back bitches! Hide / Show RepliesShould stay there, since it's what we initially know of them.
"They played us like a DAMN FIDDLE!" — Kazuhira Miller, Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom PainI personally think that a character’s place on their series’ character pages should be dependent on their current alignment, not their initial, former alignment. I’d like if the Friends and Allies page had a section for Blake’s friends and family consisting of her, Ghira, and Kali. It doesn’t feel right to have Blake’s loving, supportive parents on the Kingdoms page when they have a close relationship with one of the main protagonists.
After thinking it over, I'll wait until the episode is available for non-FIRST RT members, but then Ilia, Ghira, and Kali will all be moved to the Friends and Allies Page. I'm also gonna change Ilia's image to one without her mask, since the mask is a symbol of the WF.
EDIT: And after thinking about it even further, I'm just going ahead with it.
Edited by RebelFalcon Vegeta: I'm back bitches!I'd suggest waiting in future until the episode is available to the general public before making a change like this. When you made the change, the episode was only available to paying sponsors. Even today, it's only become available to free account holders. It won't be released to the general public until Saturday (23rd).
However, since you did make the changes, you need to update the Characters page to reflect which page the characters are now on.
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Does this trope apply to Adam?
- Char Clone: Cool Mask? Check. Strong association with the color red? Check. Highly skilled? Check. The Rival to one of the main protagonists? Check. Complicated past relationship with someone on the protagonists' side? Hoo boy, check. Well-Intentioned Extremist? Well, not quite, but close. Dragon with an Agenda who betrays and kills his boss and ultimately becomes a Dragon Ascendant? Yep, check.
I'm not entirely sure. For one thing, the Char Clone page is rather unclear on exactly how explicit it needs to be that the reference was intentional. This is especially true for a western series where Gundam is not a pop culture icon, as explained on that page. As far as I know, aside from minor references like the singer of I Burn saying she's a Super Saiyan and Zwei being named after after Ein from Cowboy Bebop, the only Japanese media that we are positive Monty used as inspiration for aspects of RWBY is BlazBlue, which we know he was a huge fan of. I have never seen anything that confirms Monty watched Gundam (I saw a tweet about him watching a show with giant robots but no specifics) but the trope definition doesn't explain if a coincidental similarity still counts.
As for the trope itself, I am a bit hesitant since Adam only has two of the six universal traits (the pale hair and Cool Mask). I am discounting the association with red since black is his primary color and he lacks any kind of mecha or machine that is red, which seems to be a necessary component as opposed to just connection to the color. It also mentions "Complicated past relationship with someone on the protagonists' side" which is in generally the same ballpark as being a Long-Lost Relative but isn't actually on the list. There are some more specific issues I could bring up but this is getting a bit long already.
Looking at the examples on the page, I think this trope is used too easily. While I will admit it's possible to consider the list connected to Adam as enough, it is not decisive enough for me to consider this trope necessary.
EDIT: Also, you might want to consider taking future queries to the RWBY forum as opposed to the discussion pages. Very few people actually look at the pages and you're more likely to get a better consensus.
Edited by Ogiga99I usually do take it to the forum. I start with the Discussion Page and then go to the forum.
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.- Unwitting Pawn: The Albain brothers helped Adam obtain the leadership of the White Fang because they believe he can further their goals for the White Fang and Faunus more generally. However, they do have concerns about his increasingly violent and obsessive outbursts; they are willing to replace him should his erratic behaviour compromise their plans. Of course, as Salem is also using Adam for her own ends, they may not be able to oust him even if they want to.
- The Man in Front of the Man: The brothers are loyal to the White Fang and committed to achieving a goal that benefits the Faunus. On those grounds, they're willing to support Adam's machinations and plans for the White Fang. Privately, they are concerned about Adam's health and sanity, and think his plot to murder the Belladonna family could backfire if the Menagerie population turn Ghira into a martyr. Their discussion implies that Adam could never have achieved leadership without them, something they only allowed to happen because it fits their own hidden end-game. For now, they'll allow Adam to stay in charge, but if he becomes too unmanageable, they will replace him with someone more suitable.
This has been removed before with an edit reason, but was added back without one. I took it to the RWBY Forum thread where the response was that, because Sienna is only in a single scene, we have no realistic way of knowing whether or not this trope can genuinely apply.
- Even Evil Has Standards: Despite being the one that took over the White Fang and broke away from Ghira Belladona's pacifistic ways, the one thing she makes abundantly clear to Adam and Hazel is that the Huntsmen Academies are to be off-limits from White Fang attacks. She's furious with Adam for launching his attack on Beacon Academy, and further enraged at Adam's continued requests to launch a similar assault against Mistral's Haven Academy.
Revamping the structure of the RWBY Character pages due to the Monsters and Enemies page getting too unwieldy. This has been discussed and hashed out on the RWBY Forum, please see from this post onwards. Please note that any new tropes added to the old Character pages on the 19th October 2017 may not have been captured. Please check, and readd if I've missed it.
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Should Adam count as a bigbadwannabe now
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