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Would it be appropriate to add tropes to the full moon shadows' entries based on their Vision Quest appearences in Persona 3 Portable? The Vision Quest notably changes up a lot of the fights, so it might be worth it to add it. For example, the Priestess becomes a Glass Cannon with high magical offense but little defensive option, and the Hermit becomes a sort of Lightning Bruiser, enough to negate the weakness of not having defensive options.

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I have to question the addition of the Personas to the character sheet. They're really not characters: they don't speak or have any demonstrable personalities, nor do they interact with anyone on an interpersonal level from what I've seen. Unless one of the adaptations I don't yet have any familiarity with (like the movies) adds something to the nature of the Personas beyond what's been shown in the game and manga adaptations, I don't see why they belong here.

(I don't see why the Reaper belongs on this page either, for the same reasons, but that is a different discussion.)

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Regardnig Yukari's Too Dumb to Live pull:

• Too Dumb to Live: When she suggests that she, the protagonist and Junpei all go out into a dangerous delinquent hangout, Junpei is obviously stunned at her reckless behavior. After they get there, she's even foolhardy enough to pick a fight, getting Junpei hit while one of the girls there implies that they're planning to humiliate or even rape her before Shinjiro steps in to save them. She's called out on her recklessness, but doesn't acknowledge it.

The first part really should stay. It nearly gets all of them beaten, it's acknowledged In-Universe as comically stupid, and I don't think it's bashing to say that it's a dumb idea.

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Should The Reaper be taken out of this page completely like Igor, Philemon and Nyarlathotep or should The Reaper still stay in this page?

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!

The Messiah is no longer a trope. Please readd under an actual trope.

• The Messiah: Dialogue and actions rarely give the chance to be angry, although you can be pretty rude (and, yes, you will be called out for it). Social Links indicate that the MC is a very understanding person. He also seems to have a soft spot for kids, if Maiko is any indication.

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For the characters returning in Persona 4 Arena, should they have subsections for tropes that appear in Persona3 and tropes that appear in Persona 4 Arena? Writing Persona 4 Arena over and over again becomes repetitive.

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I added 'whatever' under the main protagonist' s picture to go with 'calm down' under Yu.

Where the hell is Pharos on the character sheet?

An aspiring author his/herself. Somewhat addicted to tvtropes (even speaks in them). 2 different personas reside in the same body and mind.

Regarding Fuuka's English voice actress, I have searched several times and not been able to find an official source confirming who dubbed her. Unfortunately the game itself doesn't have dub credits, and the only sources that list either Paula Tiso or Mela Lee as the VA are sites like IMDB and Wikipedia which can be edited by anyone. Wiki credits them both for the role on different pages.

I even checked both actress's web sites and listened to their voice samples, but neither one sounded anything like Fuuka.

If someone can find an official source that confirms who played Fuuka, please update the site, but if you're just going by IMDB, Wikipedia, or other user-edited sites, please leave it alone rather than starting up the edit war again.

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Guys, "The Answer" was written before the female PC's route was an option. It only applies to the male PC's route, so it can't be used to prove that anything from the female PC's route is or isn't canon.

Feel free to argue whether or not the female PC's route can be considered canon at all, but "The Answer" can't be used as proof regarding that either since, again, it predates the option.

Either way, there's no point in adding notes about how "The Answer" proves that Shinjiro's survival isn't canon since it only applies to the male PC's route, in which Shinjiro's death is already made explicit to begin with.

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The Scrappy, the entry that just keeps coming back. The problem? It has a way of not coming back for the same character twice. Removing the most recent one...

• The Scrappy: Your Mileage May Vary but a lot of fans tend to find her incredibly irritating and bitchy. Made even worse since she's the best healer in the party (Assuming your MC isn't), so bringing her along is practically mandatory.

Admittedly, Yukari gets slightly more of these entries than the other characters. But only slightly. We've had some major natter cleanups already, and, looking over at the The Scrappy/Video Games page (where the trope is seeing some massive decay - come on, Sora is The Scrappy of Kingdom Hearts?), we get this mess...

• Ken haters maintain that his only purpose in the game was to enable the death of fan favourite Bad Ass Shinjiro Aragaki, then proceed to have absolutely no effect on the rest of the plot (including The Answer) while his lines could have been given to other party members with minimal changes made.
  • And most Ken haters cited Mona Marshall's scratchy, and rather inconsistent voice-acting as another reason (Ken will swing wildly from almost screechy high-pitched to 'sounds too much like a grown woman' in battle). That and he mostly uses the Useless Useful Skills that is pretty... well, useless against most Bosses
• Yukari's status as the "the most popular girl in school," along with her suffering a number of personal neuroses, her constant needling of Junpei, and occasionally downright bitchy personality make it easy for her to be interpreted as your party's own personal Libby. The one time she must be in your party, it's against a boss whose attacks she's weak to. And in The Answer, her jealousy toward Aigis for receiving the deceased main character's Wild Card ability leads directly to her precipitating the dissolution of SEES in order to fight for, essentially, the opportunity to see the MC again while completely ignoring the fact that it would likely end the world.
• Junpei's lechery is not found particularly endearing by some fans, in addition to the fact that he is eventually outclassed in everything he does by at least one character who ISN'T the Main. Further, his romantic subplot with Chidori is either seen by fans as a decent means to allow Character Development on his part, or is a ludicrous distraction that's painful to watch.
  • It really doesn't help that in the first half of the game most of the Tartarus bosses exploits his elemental weakness. He's much more powerful in the latter half of the game if you're patient.
• Fuuka's voice is freakin' annoying, as your support character she can never be switched out (meaning you will hear everything she has to say multiple times, long after you've grown tired of it), and her Oracle special ability can easily lead to disaster.
  • And then there's her scenes with Natsuki, who has the most annoying voice in the game.

That's nearly half the playable cast! It just doesn't work: The Scrappy is a fandom focal point, and way too many people have different opinions about them to assign it as an objective character trait.

Edited by BritBllt "And for the first time in weeks, I felt the boredom go away!" Hide / Show Replies

For the Character Sheet, I propose that the male/female Protagonists should go under one section. They have their differences, yes, but many of the Male Protagonists apply also to the Female (ex. The Messiah, Eleventh Hour Superpower, Cosmic Plaything, etc).

Removing...

• Ass Pull: Ikutsuki being the Big Bad is dropped on the characters completely out of the blue, no Checkov Gunman or anything. Suddenly we are informed that Ikutsuki is the Big Bad and then, five minuts later he is dead. For this troper it's an asspull if he ever saw one.

Because stuff that subjective and negative really shouldn't be listed on any objective page without an overwhelming fan consensus. Anyway, as for the topic, there are hints during the game, notably a conversation Ikutsuki has about the disaster in which he expresses his bitterness towards Kirijo and the world about being unfairly blamed for it. The moment Takeharu growled "Where's Ikutsuki?", I knew instantly what had happened. And though I didn't get the vibe, a lot of other fans always thought he came across a creepy Stepford Smiler, so there's that too.

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