I don't really recall any dragon/"deity" in the series that has been able to do what Sothis did actually. I mean, the only one I can think of that comes close is Idunn from the Binding Blade, and even then, her creations are little more than monsters with next to no will of their own, unlike the Nabateans who are fully sentient people with personalities and feelings.
Either way, I wouldn't compare Sothis to any other divine beings in the series personally. Fodlan is a completely new setting with it's own set of rules with no stated or implied connections to any other land/world in the franchise, so there's nothing that would suggest that Sothis has any relation to the likes of Naga or Anankos (heck, we don't even know if Sothis is actually a dragon). Not to mention how Nabateans seem to be wildly different from Manaketes.
Just figured I'd start a new discussion regarding the entry on Rhea lying and the Crest Stone causing Byleth's heart to not beat, before the edits go back and forth any more. It's a contentious topic, but considering all the routes I don't think the assertions are as well supported as the initial entry claimed. Indeed that the stone vanishes at all is considered by many quite the plothole on the crimson flower route.
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There's nothing to discuss. The stone disappears, Byleth's heart starts beating. Ergo, it's possible the stone was responsible for their heart not beating all along. The fact that some people may not like this development doesn't change the fact that it happens. Given the absence of any direct confirmation either way, mentioning it as an alternative interpretation of the game's events is entirely valid. This notion that people can delete factual statements about the game because they disagree with the subjective interpretation, on a YMMV page, is ridiculous. This is an obvious attempt to dismiss and remove a negative interpretation of a controversial character, performed by someone with a clear history of trying to justify, rationalize, and defend Rhea's actions on her character page.
The fact that you don't want people to say bad things about Rhea doesn't mean you can just delete factual statements that support the idea she did something wrong.
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My apologies, it was not my intention to censor anyone. However, in its original form at least your post ignored that we do get a bit of evidence, perhaps even direct confirmation, that the stone is not the cause of Byleth's heart not beating. Namely in their other S support Sothis will state that the Crest Stone is "little more than decoration now." A rather odd thing for her to say if it is literally keeping their heart from beating. This is I thought why there are so many theories about just why the Crest Stone disappears on Crimson Flower and why Byleth's heart starts again. Feel free to restore your point, but I would ask that what Sothis says also be mentioned.
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No. That has no relevance to the topic at hand, the stone's effect on Byleth's body not their soul. I will not engage in natter just because you want to defend Rhea's character on a subjectives page. Further, I will be deleting your attempt to overwrite my interpretation of her deceits with your own, less critical interpretation. The entire point of this page is that this is subjective, you do not get to delete things that are factually correct but you disagree with. Rhea deceives the characters in the VW scene. That is not debatable and the fact that you think she had good reason to and her deceits weren't all significant is irrelevant.
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Sothis power is directly tied to her soul, it's literally why she fused with Byleth To give them her power, this is what is said by the Goddess herself and not Rhea. The Stones purpose no longer mattered the moment that happened and it was an empty husk for five years, and thus why it disappear in the ending and why Sothis is still fused with them and even points out she was always by their side despite what they thought.
At most what can be said is that the stone likely channeled their non-human power, which is what the Crest Stones always do. Including growing entire bodies from them in the case of Demonic Beasts as is seen with Miklan.
Rhea herself points out the Crest of Flames is what resurrected Nemesis on VW, so what this can be taken to mean is that despite lacking a heartbeat Byleth could have lived as a zombie without Sothis Crest Stone, which would be the right point to question whether they actually needed it.
Edited by OmegaRadiance Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.
Regarding keyblade deleting the entry on the statement that the "rich vs. poor" remark from Edelgard is a mistranslation. I think we should talk about it some, that it's a bit much to just dismiss it with "the context is still there" when the translator on the following link seemingly worked so hard to argue that it's an important mistranslation: https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/dvmewu/probably_the_worst_mistranslation_of_the_game/
To me at least there is a wealth of difference between Edelgard talking about Dimitri not understanding the poor and what motivates them, and Edelgard implying that she doesn't have friends like Dimitri and thus he can never understand her. The first is related to social class divides, the second is much more personal. Yes one can say someone without friends is "poor" but the context is very different.
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I agree that context for that isn't there, but the one where Edelgard makes it about her is. Since it eventually evolves into her declaring she knows what's best for Fodlan. When he wants to work with her and find some kind of compromise.
The original translation does emphasize more Edelgard making the situation about herself, and outright dismissing all her schoolmates she acts like are her friends, yet this dialogue makes her dismiss them as not being "real" friends and only Byleth can be that.
Much like her dialogue when facing Dimitri does in fact dismiss the fact he's trying to protect his country by Edelgard making it about bloodlust, when he has two dialogues on that map that emphasize how protecting his country is his major priority and why he chose to fight in the Plains. Though the Dedue one is easily missable thanks to its requirements. The game does try to trick us with the Rhea and Dimitri scene before it by trying to paint that as his main reason, when that's a bonus he wants on top.
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Even if I have a bias toward Leonie, I question why the idea that she doesn't like her own father is here. He and her village are the reason she's at the academy because they all paid. If anything, that shows that her father is supportive of her and if anything, this makes Leonie come off as entitled and spoiled because despite being in the academy, she spends more time chasing after Jeralt instead of doing what she needs to do to return the favor to her village.
And this is made worse because the implication is that she should be the child of Jeralt and not Byleth who she insulted in their infamous B support. This only makes her an ungrateful hypocrite.
There's no way to word this that would portray her in a positive light which is why I suggest deleting it entirely.
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What's the line between ACI and WMG? I see a few entries here that make assertions that don't seem to have much evidence in the text.
The idea that Edelgard hired the bandits as part of a plot to make Jeritza her teacher doesn't seem to be based on anything. Edelgard never mentions or alludes to any plan of the sort, such a plan would be convoluted and require her to predict the behavior of multiple people, she doesn't say or do anything after the attack to have Jeritza instated as the professor of the Black Eagles, and there doesn't even seem to be a reason for her to make such a plan in the first place, since her plans at Garreg Mach turn out the same no matter who her teacher is. The only basis for it is a WMG written by the same troper who put it on here.
The other one is the claim that Seteth knowingly lied about what transpired between Edelgard and her father. The entry points out that Seteth has no way of knowing what happened before declaring that Seteth could have done it because he's a liar, with no explanation given as to how he could have known.
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This redditor argues this theory too. Personally, the fact that Edelgard never brings up the assassination attempt ever, or tries again is just bizarre to me. Especially to Claude, i was expecting her to vent her fury to him over having ruined the bandit plot when they fight, but doesn't bring it up. Plus there is quite a lot of room for interpretation on what exactly happened, i don't feel that Edelgard's actions match up to what she supposedly was trying to do. Bear in mind, whether or not it was an assassination attempt or a trick to prop up Jeritza, it's still a shitty thing to do. But having Jeritza as a plant in either her house, or the other houses would be a HUGE advantage, so there is that for her motivation.
As for the Seteth one, maybe i should rewrite that, but i have seen fans argue what Seteth's motivations in that scene was, i just recited what they said.
Edited by RedHunter543 I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
That Reddit post is less than persuasive. The introduction has the author claiming that the attack on Remire Village was an attempt to ruin Edelgard and Byleth's relationship, which a pretty ludicrous assertion. Much of the argument hinges on declaring that Edelgard was too smart to have made an assassination plan that failed. Their evaluation standards are inconsistent, saying that it couldn't have been an assassination attempt because Edelgard didn't make another attempt, even though if the Jeritza theory were true, then Edelgard completely abandoned her plan part way through. The author says that Edelgard would never make an assassination plan with "too many variables", when the Jeritza plan relies on Edelgard being able to perfectly predict how multiple characters will act. And, as one of the commenters in that thread pointed out, Kostas outright said his orders were to kill the nobles, so there isn't much mystery as to what Edelgard's plan was.
The Seteth entry is getting into Ron the Death Eater territory and has a massive hole in its logic. I'm deleting it. Feel free to add it back in if you can find actual in-game evidence that Seteth was knowingly lying in that instance.
Nach jeder Ebbe kommt die Flut.
Yeah that Seteth example was flimsy, and i honestly just recited from what people were saying on reddit, so that's fair.
And i made that theory independently of the Reddit poster, the idea personally came to me, when on the second run on the Golden Deer, where i talked to Caspar, and he mentioned he thought Jeritza would have been the new professor, that it was noted by several tropers that each of the Three Lords don't really focus on each other or have that much of a bond, except for Dimitri's one sided obsession, which is bizarre if Edelgard wanted them dead from day one, and lastly, in Byleth's first boss lines with the Death Knight, he mentions he was specifically ordered that he was to leave Byleth's class alive if they don't fight him, which is the same no matter the class, which is utterly contradictory if Edelgard wanted them dead to rule over their lands, But enough, this is getting off topic, thank you for your thoughts. Three Houses has that philosophy of not spoon feeding info to the player, and we both know that misinformation can affect characters, like Rhea making the crest system to torture humanity, Edelgard being racist to Claude, Dimitri killing Children, ETC.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
If you don't want to discuss something further, say that you don't think it needs to be discussed further, or just drop the topic. If you wish to continue discussion, write your counterpoint. Don't write your counterpoint and then say that discussion needs to end.
You talk about it as if it could only be an assassination attempt if Edelgard stuck to that plan come hell or high water, but the Jeritza plan could be true even though Edelgard seemingly abandoned it for no reason. You haven't given any actual evidence that Edelgard was trying to push Jeritza as one of the teachers. Caspar's speculation about what they could have done isn't evidence. The explanations for what Edelgard would have wanted Jeritza to do as a teacher always seem nebulous. Moreover, as we now know from the DLC, Jeritza has a murderous split personality he can barely control, which would make him a terrible spy. And again: The orders were to kill the students, which makes zero sense than if the plan was to not kill people.
It makes perfect sense as an assassination attempt: They're in the middle of nowhere with minimal protection. Edelgard could avoid suspicion because she was also attacked and the bandits had no known connection to her. Instead, her targets fail to die, she nearly dies, and she never gets as good of a chance to kill them again, since they have their teacher, classmates, and batallions during any future excursions. And Edelgard is busy with her other schemes. We don't exactly need to hire Poirot to figure this out.
Nach jeder Ebbe kommt die Flut.
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Okay, if anyone can see this, Most of the posts are about Edelgard or Rhea, or background characters.
Does anyone have Claude or Dimitri ideas?
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There's really nothing to be added for them. They're both pretty straight forward in comparison and any questionable things end up being questioned (Dimitri finally clarifying how he's not fighting for revenge anymore or Claude wanting to use his allies for his schemes but then actually caring for them).
ACI should be used for actual questions people would wonder versus adding something for the sake of it.
I was curious about the recent entry stating Sothis is never claimed to do anything other dragons in the series haven't. I'm admittedly not too well versed in the majority of the older Fire Emblem games, but in Awakening at least Naga states she and Grima are not gods because they lack the power of creation. Sothis on the other hand, in the Heroes game most explicitly (but also in the text around her in Three Houses when she first uses her power, which refers to her as the mother of all life), implies she has created life on multiple worlds. Are there other dragons in the series that have been claimed to do that?
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