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So while the English may accept Cromwell (or rather they accept the Glorious Revolution, which would not have been possible without Cromwell) to some extent, the popular narrative is generally critical of \\\"People\\\'s Revolution\\\" and they use it to smear revolutions in other nations (a tactic the Americans with their more canny embrace of cinema took to greater heart). In Indian history, the Colonial education were fairly circumspect about teaching the French Revolution in India since they were aware it gave people \\\"bad ideas\\\". I mean its a fact that an equal number of people were killed by the English in the Repression of the 1798 Irish Rebellion than were guillotined during the Terror but you hardly find ackowledgment or discussion of that (Actually the 1798 Irish Rebellion is really fascinating incident and it would make an amazing movie, the fact that the Enlightenment inspired Protestants were put down by the Catholic Church which was backed by the English), or for that matter that they invented concentration camps in the Boer Wars (which Life and Death of Colonel Blimp addresses but few other movies do) or that they stabbed Greek anti-Nazi Resistance in the back by putting Nazi collaborators back in power.
2) KarmaHoudini is generally too much a trope of fiction and applying to real life is problematic. We can put the Revolutionary war crimes of Turreau and Westermann under GeneralRipper, and include Fouche in Lyon, Carrier in Nantes as well. I think you are right about the ChronicBackstabbingDisorder in terms of the changing alliances of the time was very common. But you know Fouche\\\'s rise to power is a really perfect example, he went from Girondin to Jacobin, from Jacobin to Thermidorian, avoided proscription despite being way more guilty than some of the others exiled, and helped set up and operate Napoleon\\\'s police state and then stabbed Napoleon in the back, before being sold out by Talleyrand (who was actually fairly loyal to France and not really a backstabber, and he only really betrayed Napoleon). The fact is that this trope was quite an inspiration for French authors, like Balzac based some of his social climbers on Fouche and others from the revolutionary era, Vautrin was partly Fouche and partly Vidocq.
3) The exile to Austria and Europe is interesting, because it shows how generous the Coalition and the Bourbons were compared to the Thermidorians who exiled everyone to French-Guyana, being full of diseases and flies (cf, Carpentier\\\'s EXPLOSION IN A CATHEDRAL). Exile to Austria and Prussia and Belgium. Tallien (probably even more of a slimeball than Fouche since he funded anti-Jacobin street gangs, which Fouche at least didn\\\'t do) ended up dying in poverty only to be living on subsidies from the Restoration.
2) KarmaHoudini is generally too much a trope of fiction and applying to real life is problematic. We can put the Revolutionary war crimes of Turreau and Westermann under GeneralRipper, and include Fouche in Lyon, Carrier in Nantes as well. I think you are right about the ChronicBackstabbingDisorder in terms of the changing alliances of the time was very common. But you know Fouche\\\'s rise to power is a really perfect example, he went from Girondin to Jacobin, from Jacobin to Thermidorian, avoided proscription despite being way more guilty than some of the others exiled, and helped set up and operate Napoleon\\\'s police state and then stabbed Napoleon in the back, before being sold out by Talleyrand (who was actually fairly loyal to France and not really a backstabber, and he only really betrayed Napoleon). The fact is that this trope was quite an inspiration for French authors, like Balzac based some of his social climbers on Fouche and others from the revolutionary era, Vautrin was partly Fouche and partly Vidocq.
3) The exile to Austria and Europe is interesting, because it shows how generous the Coalition and the Bourbons were compared to the Thermidorians who exiled everyone to French-Guyana, being full of diseases and flies (cf, Carpentier\\\'s EXPLOSION IN A CATHEDRAL). Exile to Austria and Prussia and Belgium. Tallien (probably even more of a slimeball than Fouche since he funded anti-Jacobin street gangs, which Fouche at least didn\\\'t do) ended up dying in poverty only to be living on subsidies from the Restoration.
