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Thanks for the info about private messages. However, you have misinterpreted me somewhat. I was only suggesting that site administration be contacted about the site policy (by me or another person) if there happened to be continuing problems (eg an edit war), which there hasn\\\'t been.

**But really, it\\\'s just part of the \\\"loose retelling of history\\\" vibe of \\\'\\\'Hetalia\\\'\\\' in general. After all, Sweden and Finland are shown to still be close in modern times even with their real-life relations not being that super-good and Austria and Hungary are still going out even after the dissolution of their union/\\\'marriage\\\'; Germany and Italy are just one of many other instances of the countries in \\\'\\\'Hetalia\\\'\\\' having slightly different relationship dynamics than their real-life counterparts.
*** Besides, if the story was 100% historically accurate it wouldn\\\'t be a comedy. Expecting it to treat country relations seriously and accurately to real life is missing the entire point of \\\'\\\'Hetalia.\\\'\\\'
*** And yet, on this very page, the series\\\' creator is also praised for having ShownTheirWork. You cannot praise a show for its historical detail while at the same time handwaving away any complaints about inaccuracies on the basis that it is supposed to be funny.
**A more blatant example of research-lackiness or an oversight: The series depiction of Italy\\\'s invasion of Egypt and how Italy was only getting beat up by Egypt with Germany having to come in to save him. That, and the countries depicted growing up in the \\\"Roman Empire\\\" in the Chibitalia storyline seem to reflect the territories in the \\\'\\\'Frankish Empire\\\'\\\' (Northern Italy, and what would become the Kingdom of Germany/Holy Roman Empire and the Kingdom of France). Then there\\\'s the matter of Germania (which was not an actual nation but the name given to regions populated by several Germanic tribes by the Romans).
*** Dude. This is a gag series about historical anecdotes and such, told in yonkoma strips. Not a history book. The author is taking liberties with historical facts for the sake of simplicity and the sake of lulz. Being 100% historically accurate is not the main point.
*** As aforementioned: And yet, on this very page, the series\\\' creator is also praised for having ShownTheirWork. You cannot praise a show for its historical detail on the one hand while at the same time handwaving away any complaints about inaccuracies on the basis that it is supposed to be funny.

My 2 cents? Yes, you \\\'\\\'can\\\'\\\' handwave them away. You couldn\\\'t if Hetalia was a serious series that tried to treat history and international relations in a serious and accurate way, but it\\\'s not. It\\\'s never pretended to treat history seriously, heck, it\\\'s never pretended to take itself seriously (and frankly, I don\\\'t understand why people keep expecting it to). The complaints above basically amount to \\\"it\\\'s not realistic enough,\\\" which is true, but as someone already said, if it was realistic it wouldn\\\'t be a comedy (not funny), wouldn\\\'t be a yonkoma strip (too complicated), and it would have to chuck the entire premise out of the window (characters based on stereotypes, not true to real life). The main entry lists PoliticallyCorrectHistory, AnachronismStew, etc. for a reason. And christ, there are enough characters already, would you have him make up characters for Francia or all the various Germanic tribes (good luck with that)? Characters he\\\'s never going to use again?

So no, this doesn\\\'t mean that Himaruya didn\\\'t do the research, it just means that the RuleOfFunny and simplicity enjoy precedence. (Btw, there \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' some cases where he didn\\\'t actually do the research, but for some reason people never mention those, instead they keep complaining that the series is not serious and historically accurate enough.)

**But really, it\\\'s just part of the \\\"loose retelling of history\\\" vibe of \\\'\\\'Hetalia\\\'\\\' in general. After all, Sweden and Finland are shown to still be close in modern times even with their real-life relations not being that super-good and Austria and Hungary are still going out even after the dissolution of their union/\\\'marriage\\\'; Germany and Italy are just one of many other instances of the countries in \\\'\\\'Hetalia\\\'\\\' having slightly different relationship dynamics than their real-life counterparts.
*** Besides, if the story was 100% historically accurate it wouldn\\\'t be a comedy. Expecting it to treat country relations seriously and accurately to real life is missing the entire point of \\\'\\\'Hetalia.\\\'\\\'
*** And yet, on this very page, the series\\\' creator is also praised for having ShownTheirWork. You cannot praise a show for its historical detail while at the same time handwaving away any complaints about inaccuracies on the basis that it is supposed to be funny.
**A more blatant example of research-lackiness or an oversight: The series depiction of Italy\\\'s invasion of Egypt and how Italy was only getting beat up by Egypt with Germany having to come in to save him. That, and the countries depicted growing up in the \\\"Roman Empire\\\" in the Chibitalia storyline seem to reflect the territories in the \\\'\\\'Frankish Empire\\\'\\\' (Northern Italy, and what would become the Kingdom of Germany/Holy Roman Empire and the Kingdom of France). Then there\\\'s the matter of Germania (which was not an actual nation but the name given to regions populated by several Germanic tribes by the Romans).
*** Dude. This is a gag series about historical anecdotes and such, told in yonkoma strips. Not a history book. The author is taking liberties with historical facts for the sake of simplicity and the sake of lulz. Being 100% historically accurate is not the main point.
*** As aforementioned: And yet, on this very page, the series\\\' creator is also praised for having ShownTheirWork. You cannot praise a show for its historical detail on the one hand while at the same time handwaving away any complaints about inaccuracies on the basis that it is supposed to be funny.

My 2 cents? Yes, you \\\'\\\'can\\\'\\\' handwave them away. You couldn\\\'t if Hetalia was a serious series that tried to treat history and international relations in a serious and accurate way, but it\\\'s not. It\\\'s never pretended to treat history seriously, heck, it\\\'s never pretended to take itself seriously (and frankly, I don\\\'t understand why people keep expecting it to). The complaints above basically amount to \\\"it\\\'s not realistic enough,\\\" which is true, but as someone already said, if it was realistic it wouldn\\\'t be a comedy (not funny), wouldn\\\'t be a yonkoma strip (too complicated), and it would have to chuck the entire premise out of the window (characters based on stereotypes, not true to real life). The main entry lists PoliticallyCorrectHistory, AnachronismStew, etc. for a reason. And christ, there are enough characters already, would you have him make up characters for Francia or all the various Germanic tribes (good luck with that)?

So no, this doesn\\\'t mean that Himaruya didn\\\'t do the research, it just means that the RuleOfFunny and simplicity enjoy precedence. (Btw, there \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' some cases where he didn\\\'t actually do the research, but for some reason people never mention those, instead they keep complaining that the series is not serious and historically accurate enough.)

**But really, it\\\'s just part of the \\\"loose retelling of history\\\" vibe of \\\'\\\'Hetalia\\\'\\\' in general. After all, Sweden and Finland are shown to still be close in modern times even with their real-life relations not being that super-good and Austria and Hungary are still going out even after the dissolution of their union/\\\'marriage\\\'; Germany and Italy are just one of many other instances of the countries in \\\'\\\'Hetalia\\\'\\\' having slightly different relationship dynamics than their real-life counterparts.
*** Besides, if the story was 100% historically accurate it wouldn\\\'t be a comedy. Expecting it to treat country relations seriously and accurately to real life is missing the entire point of \\\'\\\'Hetalia.\\\'\\\'
*** And yet, on this very page, the series\\\' creator is also praised for having ShownTheirWork. You cannot praise a show for its historical detail while at the same time handwaving away any complaints about inaccuracies on the basis that it is supposed to be funny.
**A more blatant example of research-lackiness or an oversight: The series depiction of Italy\\\'s invasion of Egypt and how Italy was only getting beat up by Egypt with Germany having to come in to save him. That, and the countries depicted growing up in the \\\"Roman Empire\\\" in the Chibitalia storyline seem to reflect the territories in the \\\'\\\'Frankish Empire\\\'\\\' (Northern Italy, and what would become the Kingdom of Germany/Holy Roman Empire and the Kingdom of France). Then there\\\'s the matter of Germania (which was not an actual nation but the name given to regions populated by several Germanic tribes by the Romans).
*** Dude. This is a gag series about historical anecdotes and such, told in yonkoma strips. Not a history book. The author is taking liberties with historical facts for the sake of simplicity and the sake of lulz. Being 100% historically accurate is not the main point.
*** As aforementioned: And yet, on this very page, the series\\\' creator is also praised for having ShownTheirWork. You cannot praise a show for its historical detail on the one hand while at the same time handwaving away any complaints about inaccuracies on the basis that it is supposed to be funny.

My 2 cents? Yes, you \\\'\\\'can\\\'\\\' handwave them away. You couldn\\\'t if Hetalia was a serious series that tried to treat history and international relations in a serious and accurate way, but it\\\'s not. It\\\'s never pretended to treat history seriously, heck, it\\\'s never pretended to take itself seriously (and frankly, I don\\\'t understand why people keep expecting it to). The complaints above basically amount to \\\"it\\\'s not realistic enough,\\\" which is true, but as someone already said, if it was realistic it wouldn\\\'t be a comedy (not funny), wouldn\\\'t be a yonkoma strip (too complicated), and it would have to chuck the entire premise out of the window (characters based on stereotypes, not true to real life). The main entry lists PoliticallyCorrectHistory, AnachronismStew, etc. for a reason. And christ, there are enough characters already, would you have him make up characters for Francia or all the various Germanic tribes (good luck with that)?

So no, this doesn\\\'t mean that Himaruya didn\\\'t do the research, it just means that the RuleOfFunny and simplicity enjoy precedence. (Btw, there \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' some cases where he didn\\\'t actually do the research, but for some reason people never mention those, instead they keep complaining why the series is not serious and historically accurate enough.)