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The whole \'\'FamilyGuy\'\' argument about whether or not Quagmire and Peter qualify as monsters or not gets on my nerves. I haven\'t watched the show all that much, really, and I can\'t determine whether or not they qualify, but let me ask, \'\'should they be in the section\'\'? The argument needs to end.
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The whole \\\'\\\'FamilyGuy\\\'\\\' argument about whether or not Quagmire and Peter qualify as monsters or not gets on my nerves. I haven\\\'t watched the show all that much, really, and I can\\\'t determine whether or not they qualify, but let me ask, \\\'\\\'should they be in the section\\\'\\\'? The argument needs to end.
To argue about it more clearly, let\\\'s put up the qualifications.
* The character must personally engage in a series of truly horrendous acts, and the story makes no attempt to gloss these over or present them in a positive light. Acts concealed behind a VillainyDiscretionShot or by a distant {{Mook}} don\\\'t count. The CompleteMonster usually starts at the MoralEventHorizon and keeps on running, though nothing excludes him becoming one through CharacterDevelopment.
* The character must evoke fear, revulsion and/or hatred from the other characters in the story. If there are other villains around, they are afraid of/dislike this person, too — EvenEvilHasStandards, after all. If the other characters in the story treat the character as a joke or don\\\'t take them seriously, they fail to qualify.
* No justification or FreudianExcuse is present, or adequate to explain away the deeds if one exists.
* The character must show no regret or remorse for their actions, however terrible. It\\\'s better if they obviously enjoy it, but complete lack of emotion or caring will suffice.
* Most importantly, the character must have no chance of redemption without being considered a KarmaHoudini. The only way the story could come to anything resembling a happy ending is if they die or are otherwise removed. A HeelFaceTurn is out of the question, and nobody would believe it if it happened. There can be no RedemptionEqualsDeath for this character, and no FateWorseThanDeath is too extreme.
To argue about it more clearly, let\\\'s put up the qualifications.
* The character must personally engage in a series of truly horrendous acts, and the story makes no attempt to gloss these over or present them in a positive light. Acts concealed behind a VillainyDiscretionShot or by a distant {{Mook}} don\\\'t count. The CompleteMonster usually starts at the MoralEventHorizon and keeps on running, though nothing excludes him becoming one through CharacterDevelopment.
* The character must evoke fear, revulsion and/or hatred from the other characters in the story. If there are other villains around, they are afraid of/dislike this person, too — EvenEvilHasStandards, after all. If the other characters in the story treat the character as a joke or don\\\'t take them seriously, they fail to qualify.
* No justification or FreudianExcuse is present, or adequate to explain away the deeds if one exists.
* The character must show no regret or remorse for their actions, however terrible. It\\\'s better if they obviously enjoy it, but complete lack of emotion or caring will suffice.
* Most importantly, the character must have no chance of redemption without being considered a KarmaHoudini. The only way the story could come to anything resembling a happy ending is if they die or are otherwise removed. A HeelFaceTurn is out of the question, and nobody would believe it if it happened. There can be no RedemptionEqualsDeath for this character, and no FateWorseThanDeath is too extreme.
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The trope isn\'t averted in any manner worthy of note. It just \'\'doesn\'t show up.\'\' That\'s a vanilla aversion, which, [[AvertedTrope as a general rule, we don\'t bother sticking in the examples.]] Further, the note you stuck to it, \
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The trope isn\\\'t averted in any manner worthy of note. It just \\\'\\\'doesn\\\'t show up.\\\'\\\' That\\\'s a vanilla aversion, which, [[AvertedTrope as a general rule, we don\\\'t bother sticking in the examples.]] Further, the note you stuck to it, \\\"Equal to a human,\\\" says nothing to do with that trope; in the context of the trope it\\\'s like saying that a mindless zombie or a brick wall is equal to a human (as lacking a specifying statement leads to the assumption that the \\\'\\\'entirety of the trope\\\'s purview\\\'\\\' is taken into account), which is not how things work in Genius.
If you \\\'\\\'must\\\'\\\' put it in, at least bother with a \\\'\\\'complete sentence,\\\'\\\' e.g. \\\"\\\'\\\'As far as your [[KarmaMeter Obligation]] is concerned, possessing intelligence is all something needs to be considered\\\'\\\' equal to a human,\\\" \\\"\\\'\\\'It\\\'s\\\'\\\' equal to a human \\\'\\\'if it\\\'s intelligent,\\\'\\\'\\\" or \\\'\\\'something\\\'\\\' clearer than \\\"equal to a human.\\\"
Tangent: For the record, a frustrated LampshadeHanging of our continual disagreements by [[http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?p=11667591#post11667591 referring to you as]] \\\"[[SitcomArchNemesis my eternal nemesis]]\\\" is not even remotely the same thing as [[http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?p=11667612#post11667612 declaring myself]] \\\'\\\'your\\\'\\\' [[http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?p=12217356#post12217356 nemesis]] and that you appear to have taken it that way is both [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment irritating and frustrating.]] ([[RuleOfThree And a little annoying, too.]]) We have differing opinions on things and I am [[{{Understatement}} a little]] high-strung. Your [[WantonCrueltyToTheCommonComma inability to use commas ]][[RougeAnglesOfSatin or spell words like \\\"paradigm\\\" correctly,]] [[LIsForDyslexia explained or otherwise, ]][[GrammarNazi rubs me the wrong way.]] We \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' [[DumbassHasAPoint capable of agreement,]] as [[http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?p=11672497#post11672497 has been ]][[http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?p=11673504#post11673504 demonstrated]] in the past.
[[SoYeah Just getting ]][[WallOfText that ]][[LeftFielder off my chest.]]
If you \\\'\\\'must\\\'\\\' put it in, at least bother with a \\\'\\\'complete sentence,\\\'\\\' e.g. \\\"\\\'\\\'As far as your [[KarmaMeter Obligation]] is concerned, possessing intelligence is all something needs to be considered\\\'\\\' equal to a human,\\\" \\\"\\\'\\\'It\\\'s\\\'\\\' equal to a human \\\'\\\'if it\\\'s intelligent,\\\'\\\'\\\" or \\\'\\\'something\\\'\\\' clearer than \\\"equal to a human.\\\"
Tangent: For the record, a frustrated LampshadeHanging of our continual disagreements by [[http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?p=11667591#post11667591 referring to you as]] \\\"[[SitcomArchNemesis my eternal nemesis]]\\\" is not even remotely the same thing as [[http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?p=11667612#post11667612 declaring myself]] \\\'\\\'your\\\'\\\' [[http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?p=12217356#post12217356 nemesis]] and that you appear to have taken it that way is both [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment irritating and frustrating.]] ([[RuleOfThree And a little annoying, too.]]) We have differing opinions on things and I am [[{{Understatement}} a little]] high-strung. Your [[WantonCrueltyToTheCommonComma inability to use commas ]][[RougeAnglesOfSatin or spell words like \\\"paradigm\\\" correctly,]] [[LIsForDyslexia explained or otherwise, ]][[GrammarNazi rubs me the wrong way.]] We \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' [[DumbassHasAPoint capable of agreement,]] as [[http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?p=11672497#post11672497 has been ]][[http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?p=11673504#post11673504 demonstrated]] in the past.
[[SoYeah Just getting ]][[WallOfText that ]][[LeftFielder off my chest.]]
