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I\'d also dispute the Big Dig as an exampleof this trope. The actual idea and conceptual designs were solid, and someone in 1995 would never have said is was likely to be a big boondoggle. Cost escalations.were.due.to both unforeen problems with a project this big, plus the usual Boston corruption. Plus 4 deaths.over a 15 project of this size is not unexpected. And the final result is.actually pretty.much.as imagined. Is hardly call it a example of things.going according to plan, but its not.the trainwreck that this trope.implies.
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I\\\'d also dispute the Big Dig as an exampleof this trope. The actual idea and conceptual designs were solid, and someone in 1995 would never have said is was likely to be a big boondoggle. Cost escalations.were.due.to both unforeen problems with a project this big, plus the usual Boston corruption. Plus 4 deaths over a 15 years for a project of this size is not unexpected. And the final result is.actually pretty.much.as imagined. I\\\'d hardly call it an example of things.going according to plan, but its not.the trainwreck that this trope.implies.
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Furthermore, the Foil section of the movie\'s main page here describes Bane as a possible foil of Alfred, in that \
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Furthermore, the Foil section of the movie\\\'s main page here describes Bane as a possible foil of Alfred, in that \\\"they are both older British men who served a child whoses parents death encouraged them to fight evil.\\\" Aside from the fact that we have no idea what his nationality actually is (word of God indicates Caribbean heritage) this seems like a generalization of their relationship.
Besides, think back to Batman Begins if you will. What was the Big Bad\\\'s plan in that movie? To recruit a vengeful philanthropist whose painful backstory would make them want to serve the League of Shadows, get them to use their resources to create a weapon disguised as a helpful object directly in the city, then show up with his men to facilitate the destruction of the city personally to ensure it goes as planned. Sound familiar?
I\\\'m just saying that, instead of the idea that Bane is a foil to Alfred, wouldnt the fridge brilliance plot parallels between Begins and Rises indicate that Banes true foil is RAS AL GHUL, the former Big Bad??
Both men inspire awe, serve as eloquent and malicious father figures to their proteges, and truely believe that destroying Gotham is an act of justice? Also, Bane CLEARLY stated that he WAS the League of Shadows directly before members of the League itself, and no one contradicts him on this during the whole movie.
Talia herself said she wasnt close enough to her father to share his ideals when he was alive, and left the League and shunned him solely because BANE was excommunicated. It sounds to me like Bane is her surrogate father figure and thus the mastermind big bad, if not an equal in a diummverate.
Let me put it this way, if Bruce Wayne in the first movie went along with making that Fear gas dispensing device in the first movie, would you think of him as THE big bad in that situation?
Besides, think back to Batman Begins if you will. What was the Big Bad\\\'s plan in that movie? To recruit a vengeful philanthropist whose painful backstory would make them want to serve the League of Shadows, get them to use their resources to create a weapon disguised as a helpful object directly in the city, then show up with his men to facilitate the destruction of the city personally to ensure it goes as planned. Sound familiar?
I\\\'m just saying that, instead of the idea that Bane is a foil to Alfred, wouldnt the fridge brilliance plot parallels between Begins and Rises indicate that Banes true foil is RAS AL GHUL, the former Big Bad??
Both men inspire awe, serve as eloquent and malicious father figures to their proteges, and truely believe that destroying Gotham is an act of justice? Also, Bane CLEARLY stated that he WAS the League of Shadows directly before members of the League itself, and no one contradicts him on this during the whole movie.
Talia herself said she wasnt close enough to her father to share his ideals when he was alive, and left the League and shunned him solely because BANE was excommunicated. It sounds to me like Bane is her surrogate father figure and thus the mastermind big bad, if not an equal in a diummverate.
Let me put it this way, if Bruce Wayne in the first movie went along with making that Fear gas dispensing device in the first movie, would you think of him as THE big bad in that situation?
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Furthermore, the Foil.section of the movies page here describes Bane as a possible foil of Alfred, in that \
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Furthermore, the Foil section of the movie\\\'s main page here describes Bane as a possible foil of Alfred, in that \\\"they are both older British men who served a child whoses parents death encouraged them to fight evil.\\\" Aside from the fact that we have no idea what his nationality actually is (word of God indicates Caribbean heritage) this seems like a generalization of their relationship.
Besides, think back to Batman Begins if you will. What was the Big Bad\\\'s plan in that movie? To recruit a vengeful philanthropist whose painful backstory would make them want to serve the League of Shadows, get them to use their resources to create a weapon disguised as a helpful object directly in the city, then show up with his men to facilitate the destruction of the city personally to ensure it goes as plan. Sound familiar?
I\\\'m just saying that, instead of the idea that Bane is a foil to Alfred, wouldnt the fridge brilliance plot parallels between Begins and Rises indicate that Banes true foil is RAS AL GHUL, the former Big Bad??
Both men inspire awe, serve as eloquent and malicious father figures to their proteges, and truely believe that destroying Gotham is an act of justice? Also, Bane CLEARLY stated that he WAS the League of Shadows directly before members of the League itself, and no one contradicts him on this during the whole movie.
Talia herself said she wasnt close enough to her father to share his ideals when he was alive, and left the League and shunned him solely because BANE was excommunicated. It sounds to me like Bane is her surrogate father figure and thus the mastermind big bad, if not an equal in a diummverate.
Let me put it this way, if Bruce Wayne in the first movie went along with making that Fear gas dispensing device in the first movie, would you think of him as THE big bad in that situation?
Besides, think back to Batman Begins if you will. What was the Big Bad\\\'s plan in that movie? To recruit a vengeful philanthropist whose painful backstory would make them want to serve the League of Shadows, get them to use their resources to create a weapon disguised as a helpful object directly in the city, then show up with his men to facilitate the destruction of the city personally to ensure it goes as plan. Sound familiar?
I\\\'m just saying that, instead of the idea that Bane is a foil to Alfred, wouldnt the fridge brilliance plot parallels between Begins and Rises indicate that Banes true foil is RAS AL GHUL, the former Big Bad??
Both men inspire awe, serve as eloquent and malicious father figures to their proteges, and truely believe that destroying Gotham is an act of justice? Also, Bane CLEARLY stated that he WAS the League of Shadows directly before members of the League itself, and no one contradicts him on this during the whole movie.
Talia herself said she wasnt close enough to her father to share his ideals when he was alive, and left the League and shunned him solely because BANE was excommunicated. It sounds to me like Bane is her surrogate father figure and thus the mastermind big bad, if not an equal in a diummverate.
Let me put it this way, if Bruce Wayne in the first movie went along with making that Fear gas dispensing device in the first movie, would you think of him as THE big bad in that situation?
