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So, regarding \\\"Hyakki Yakou\\\"/\\\"Pandemonium\\\": as far as I understand, the former literally means \\\"night parade of a hundred demons\\\"; the latter means \\\"all demons\\\", or possibly \\\"gathering of all demons\\\". Is that right? If it is, then in the context, they seem pretty close.
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* Changed the first line from \\\"as a character in works of fiction\\\" to \\\"as appearing in literature and the arts\\\". As you said, Xzenu, we don\\\'t only cover strictly fictional works.
* Added a line on the prophetic biographies and the hadith as main sources on Mohammad\\\'s life.
* Removed natter from the works list.
* Re-inserted HeelFaceTurn, as it seems clear enough.
As for the tropes I excised, here my criticisms:
* Is the BigGood really Muhammad\\\'s role in muslim tradition, or isn\\\'t Allah the BigGood? And while some non-muslim traditions cast Muhammad as a villain, they don\\\'t necessarily make him the BigBad, that is, the leader of the villainous faction in a given story. Thirdly, I think you\\\'re exaggerating in that all depictions of Muhammad fall into these two extreme categories. The European Middle Ages certainly regarded Muhammad as a major villain of world history, but for a few centuries now, religion-funded demonization of Muhammad is no longer mainstream. There are many shades beetween BigGood and BigBad; I don\\\'t think it\\\'s correct that almost all works fall into one of these two extremes.
* I think SoulsavingCrusader fits, but WindmillCrusader seems shoe-horned; it\\\'s not the opposite of SoulsavingCrusader. And again, it\\\'s not necessary to subscribe to either of these interpretations.
* I wouldn\\\'t bother with {{YMMV}} tropes like CompleteMonster and MagnificentBastard (except on the YMMV tab). GuileHero is likely justified, though.
* HeroWithBadPublicity: Probably fits, but I would like some more elaboration.
* CulturedWarrior lacks elaboration, and CoolOldGuy reads like some guy\\\'s opinion. How do these tropes appear in biographies or stories of Muhammad\\\'s life?
* NoWomansLand: \\\"Stories tend to focus...\\\" Which stories?
* CrapsackWorld: Lacks text and reads like an opinion rather than a trope based on a specific work.
* ExecutiveMeddling: Can\\\'t quite figure out what it is saying.
* ProudMerchantRace and ProudWarriorRace are more about ancient Arab society rather than Muhammad. Besides, I think these two are stereotypes of speculative fiction and should not be applied to real-life peoples. Peoples are not races.
* FiveManBand: Seems rather subjective. I doubt that any work on Mohammad actually features such a FiveManBand (then again, it will hurt nobody).
* Added a line on the prophetic biographies and the hadith as main sources on Mohammad\\\'s life.
* Removed natter from the works list.
* Re-inserted HeelFaceTurn, as it seems clear enough.
As for the tropes I excised, here my criticisms:
* Is the BigGood really Muhammad\\\'s role in muslim tradition, or isn\\\'t Allah the BigGood? And while some non-muslim traditions cast Muhammad as a villain, they don\\\'t necessarily make him the BigBad, that is, the leader of the villainous faction in a given story. Thirdly, I think you\\\'re exaggerating in that all depictions of Muhammad fall into these two extreme categories. The European Middle Ages certainly regarded Muhammad as a major villain of world history, but for a few centuries now, religion-funded demonization of Muhammad is no longer mainstream. There are many shades beetween BigGood and BigBad; I don\\\'t think it\\\'s correct that almost all works fall into one of these two extremes.
* I think SoulsavingCrusader fits, but WindmillCrusader seems shoe-horned; it\\\'s not the opposite of SoulsavingCrusader. And again, it\\\'s not necessary to subscribe to either of these interpretations.
* I wouldn\\\'t bother with {{YMMV}} tropes like CompleteMonster and MagnificentBastard (except on the YMMV tab). GuileHero is likely justified, though.
* HeroWithBadPublicity: Probably fits, but I would like some more elaboration.
* CulturedWarrior lacks elaboration, and CoolOldGuy reads like some guy\\\'s opinion. How do these tropes appear in biographies or stories of Muhammad\\\'s life?
* NoWomansLand: \\\"Stories tend to focus...\\\" Which stories?
* CrapsackWorld: Lacks text and reads like an opinion rather than a trope based on a specific work.
* ExecutiveMeddling: Can\\\'t quite figure out what it is saying.
* ProudMerchantRace and ProudWarriorRace are more about ancient Arab society rather than Muhammad. Besides, I think these two are stereotypes of speculative fiction and should not be applied to real-life peoples. Peoples are not races.
* FiveManBand: Seems rather subjective. I doubt that any work on Mohammad actually features such a FiveManBand (then again, it will hurt nobody).
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* Changed the first line from \\\"as a character in works of fiction\\\" to \\\"as appearing in literature and the arts\\\". As you said, Xzenu, we don\\\'t only cover strictly fictional works.
* Added a line on the prophetic biographies and the hadith as main sources on Mohammad\\\'s life.
* Removed natter from the works list.
* Re-inserted HeelFaceTurn, as it seems clear enough.
As for the tropes I excised, here my criticisms:
* Is the BigGood really Muhammad\\\'s role in muslim tradition, or isn\\\'t Allah the BigGood? And while some non-muslim traditions cast Muhammad as a villain, they don\\\'t necessarily make him the BigBad, that is, the leader of the villainous faction in a given story. Thirdly, I think you\\\'re exaggerating in that all depictions of Muhammad fall into these two extreme categories. The European Middle Ages certainly regarded Muhammad as a major villain of world history, but for a few centuries now, religion-funded demonization of Muhammad is no longer mainstream. There are many shades beetween BigGood and BigBad; I don\\\'t think it\\\'s correct that almost all works fall into one of these two extremes.
* I think SoulsavingCrusader fits, but WindmillCrusader seems shoe-horned; it\\\'s not the opposite of SoulsavingCrusader. And again, it\\\'s not necessary to subscribe to either of these interpretations.
* I wouldn\\\'t bother with {{YMMV}} tropes like CompleteMonster and MagnificentBastard (except on the YMMV tab). GuileHero is likely justified, though.
* HeroWithBadPublicity: Probably fits, but I would like some more elaboration.
* CulturedWarrior lacks elaboration, and CoolOldGuy reads like some guy\\\'s opinion. How do these tropes appear in biographies or stories of Muhammad\\\'s life?
* NoWomansLand: \\\"Stories tend to focus...\\\" Which stories?
* CrapsackWorld: Lacks text and reads like an opinion rather than a trope based on a specific work.
* ExecutiveMeddling: Can\\\'t quite figure out what it is saying.
* ProudMerchantRace and ProudWarriorRace are more about ancient Arab society rather than Muhammad. Besides, I think these two are stereotypes of speculative fiction and should not be applied to real-life peoples. Peoples are not races.
* FiveManBand: Seems rather subjective. I doubt that any work on Mohammad actually features such a FiveManBand (then again, it will hurt nobody).
Criticism on the tropes that are currently on the page:
* LegacyCharacter: Again, seems shoehorning rather than the actual trope.
* BloodBrothers: It states that all followers of Islam are this, but that doesn\\\'t strictly refer to Mohammed.
* NeverLearnedToRead: Did \\\'\\\'Mohammad\\\'\\\' never learn to read? If he did, then the trope doesn\\\'t actually fit here.
* MomentOfAwesome: Edit -- YMMV trope. We don\\\'t collect YMMV items for pages on real life persons or events.
* {{Polyamory}}: I don\\\'t think polygamy is this trope. Polyamory is independent of marriage, and polygamy does not automatically mean polyamory.
* Added a line on the prophetic biographies and the hadith as main sources on Mohammad\\\'s life.
* Removed natter from the works list.
* Re-inserted HeelFaceTurn, as it seems clear enough.
As for the tropes I excised, here my criticisms:
* Is the BigGood really Muhammad\\\'s role in muslim tradition, or isn\\\'t Allah the BigGood? And while some non-muslim traditions cast Muhammad as a villain, they don\\\'t necessarily make him the BigBad, that is, the leader of the villainous faction in a given story. Thirdly, I think you\\\'re exaggerating in that all depictions of Muhammad fall into these two extreme categories. The European Middle Ages certainly regarded Muhammad as a major villain of world history, but for a few centuries now, religion-funded demonization of Muhammad is no longer mainstream. There are many shades beetween BigGood and BigBad; I don\\\'t think it\\\'s correct that almost all works fall into one of these two extremes.
* I think SoulsavingCrusader fits, but WindmillCrusader seems shoe-horned; it\\\'s not the opposite of SoulsavingCrusader. And again, it\\\'s not necessary to subscribe to either of these interpretations.
* I wouldn\\\'t bother with {{YMMV}} tropes like CompleteMonster and MagnificentBastard (except on the YMMV tab). GuileHero is likely justified, though.
* HeroWithBadPublicity: Probably fits, but I would like some more elaboration.
* CulturedWarrior lacks elaboration, and CoolOldGuy reads like some guy\\\'s opinion. How do these tropes appear in biographies or stories of Muhammad\\\'s life?
* NoWomansLand: \\\"Stories tend to focus...\\\" Which stories?
* CrapsackWorld: Lacks text and reads like an opinion rather than a trope based on a specific work.
* ExecutiveMeddling: Can\\\'t quite figure out what it is saying.
* ProudMerchantRace and ProudWarriorRace are more about ancient Arab society rather than Muhammad. Besides, I think these two are stereotypes of speculative fiction and should not be applied to real-life peoples. Peoples are not races.
* FiveManBand: Seems rather subjective. I doubt that any work on Mohammad actually features such a FiveManBand (then again, it will hurt nobody).
Criticism on the tropes that are currently on the page:
* LegacyCharacter: Again, seems shoehorning rather than the actual trope.
* BloodBrothers: It states that all followers of Islam are this, but that doesn\\\'t strictly refer to Mohammed.
* NeverLearnedToRead: Did \\\'\\\'Mohammad\\\'\\\' never learn to read? If he did, then the trope doesn\\\'t actually fit here.
* MomentOfAwesome: Edit -- YMMV trope. We don\\\'t collect YMMV items for pages on real life persons or events.
* {{Polyamory}}: I don\\\'t think polygamy is this trope. Polyamory is independent of marriage, and polygamy does not automatically mean polyamory.
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Hi again.
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* Changed the first line from \
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* Changed the first line from \\\"as a character in works of fiction\\\" to \\\"as appearing in literature and the arts\\\". As you said, Xzenu, we don\\\'t only cover strictly fictional works.
* Added a line on the prophetic biographies and the hadith as main sources on Mohammad\\\'s life.
* Removed natter from the works list.
* Re-inserted HeelFaceTurn, as it seems clear enough.
As for the tropes I excised, here my criticisms:
* Is the BigGood really Muhammad\\\'s role in muslim tradition, or isn\\\'t Allah the BigGood? And while some non-muslim traditions cast Muhammad as a villain, they don\\\'t necessarily make him the BigBad, that is, the leader of the villainous faction in a given story. Thirdly, I think you\\\'re exaggerating in that all depictions of Muhammad fall into these two extreme categories. The European Middle Ages certainly regarded Muhammad as a major villain of world history, but for a few centuries now, religion-funded demonization of Muhammad is no longer mainstream. There are many shades beetween BigGood and BigBad; I don\\\'t think it\\\'s correct that almost all works fall into one of these two extremes.
* I think SoulsavingCrusader fits, but WindmillCrusader seems shoe-horned; it\\\'s not the opposite of SoulsavingCrusader. And again, it\\\'s not necessary to subscribe to either of these interpretations.
* I wouldn\\\'t bother with {{YMMV}} tropes like CompleteMonster and MagnificentBastard (except on the YMMV tab). GuileHero is likely justified, though.
* HeroWithBadPublicity: Probably fits, but I would like some more elaboration.
* CulturedWarrior lacks elaboration, and CoolOldGuy reads like some guy\\\'s opinion. How do these tropes appear in biographies or stories of Muhammad\\\'s life?
* NoWomansLand: \\\"Stories tend to focus...\\\" Which stories?
* TheChosenOne: Fits obviously, but lacks all text.
* CrapsackWorld: Lacks text and reads like an opinion rather than a trope based on a specific work.
* ExecutiveMeddling: Can\\\'t quite figure out what it is saying.
* ProudMerchantRace and ProudWarriorRace are more about ancient Arab society rather than Muhammad. Besides, I think these two are stereotypes of speculative fiction and should not be applied to real-life peoples. Peoples are not races.
* FiveManBand: Seems rather subjective. I doubt that any work on Mohammad actually features such a FiveManBand (then again, it will hurt nobody).
Criticism on the tropes that are currently on the page:
* LegacyCharacter: Again, seems shoehorning rather than the actual trope.
* BloodBrothers: It states that all followers of Islam are this, but that doesn\\\'t strictly refer to Mohammed.
* NeverLearnedToRead: Did \\\'\\\'Mohammad\\\'\\\' never learn to read? If he did, then the trope doesn\\\'t actually fit here.
* MomentOfAwesome: Edit -- YMMV trope. We don\\\'t collect YMMV items for pages on real life persons or events.
* {{Polyamory}}: I don\\\'t think polygamy is this trope. Polyamory is independent of marriage, and polygamy does not automatically mean polyamory.
* Added a line on the prophetic biographies and the hadith as main sources on Mohammad\\\'s life.
* Removed natter from the works list.
* Re-inserted HeelFaceTurn, as it seems clear enough.
As for the tropes I excised, here my criticisms:
* Is the BigGood really Muhammad\\\'s role in muslim tradition, or isn\\\'t Allah the BigGood? And while some non-muslim traditions cast Muhammad as a villain, they don\\\'t necessarily make him the BigBad, that is, the leader of the villainous faction in a given story. Thirdly, I think you\\\'re exaggerating in that all depictions of Muhammad fall into these two extreme categories. The European Middle Ages certainly regarded Muhammad as a major villain of world history, but for a few centuries now, religion-funded demonization of Muhammad is no longer mainstream. There are many shades beetween BigGood and BigBad; I don\\\'t think it\\\'s correct that almost all works fall into one of these two extremes.
* I think SoulsavingCrusader fits, but WindmillCrusader seems shoe-horned; it\\\'s not the opposite of SoulsavingCrusader. And again, it\\\'s not necessary to subscribe to either of these interpretations.
* I wouldn\\\'t bother with {{YMMV}} tropes like CompleteMonster and MagnificentBastard (except on the YMMV tab). GuileHero is likely justified, though.
* HeroWithBadPublicity: Probably fits, but I would like some more elaboration.
* CulturedWarrior lacks elaboration, and CoolOldGuy reads like some guy\\\'s opinion. How do these tropes appear in biographies or stories of Muhammad\\\'s life?
* NoWomansLand: \\\"Stories tend to focus...\\\" Which stories?
* TheChosenOne: Fits obviously, but lacks all text.
* CrapsackWorld: Lacks text and reads like an opinion rather than a trope based on a specific work.
* ExecutiveMeddling: Can\\\'t quite figure out what it is saying.
* ProudMerchantRace and ProudWarriorRace are more about ancient Arab society rather than Muhammad. Besides, I think these two are stereotypes of speculative fiction and should not be applied to real-life peoples. Peoples are not races.
* FiveManBand: Seems rather subjective. I doubt that any work on Mohammad actually features such a FiveManBand (then again, it will hurt nobody).
Criticism on the tropes that are currently on the page:
* LegacyCharacter: Again, seems shoehorning rather than the actual trope.
* BloodBrothers: It states that all followers of Islam are this, but that doesn\\\'t strictly refer to Mohammed.
* NeverLearnedToRead: Did \\\'\\\'Mohammad\\\'\\\' never learn to read? If he did, then the trope doesn\\\'t actually fit here.
* MomentOfAwesome: Edit -- YMMV trope. We don\\\'t collect YMMV items for pages on real life persons or events.
* {{Polyamory}}: I don\\\'t think polygamy is this trope. Polyamory is independent of marriage, and polygamy does not automatically mean polyamory.
