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** The world is at peace? Danzo cares for Konoha? Have you perhaps heard of a group called Akatsuki? No? Well, right now, the world is not at peace. The world is at war, with Madara and the Akatsuki. Danzo, if you remember, was perfectly content with letting Pain destroy Konoha and kill thousands if it meant he would be Hokage. He also believed that in the Ninja World, military power was the only path to supremacy. He was no pussy peace-monger. He cared nothing for the villagers, only for the village. Naruto\'s obsession with Sasuke has been mostly settled now too. He\'s prepared to kill Sasuke. And he\'s not being angsty about it either, when he has every motive to. Give the teen some credit.
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** The world is at peace? Danzo cares for Konoha? Have you perhaps heard of a group called Akatsuki? No? Well, right now, the world is not at peace. The world is at war, with Madara and the Akatsuki. Danzo, if you remember, was perfectly content with letting Pain destroy Konoha and kill thousands if it meant he would be Hokage. He also believed that in the Ninja World, military power was the only path to supremacy. He was no pussy peace-monger. He cared nothing for the villagers, only for the village.
*** Not only the world was at peace, but is \\\'\\\'now united\\\'\\\' against Akatsuki and Madara. Naruto\\\'s obsession with Sasuke has been mostly settled now too. He\\\'s prepared to kill Sasuke. And he\\\'s not being angsty about it either, when he has every motive to. Give the teen some credit.
*** Not only the world was at peace, but is \\\'\\\'now united\\\'\\\' against Akatsuki and Madara. Naruto\\\'s obsession with Sasuke has been mostly settled now too. He\\\'s prepared to kill Sasuke. And he\\\'s not being angsty about it either, when he has every motive to. Give the teen some credit.
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** This troper felt this very strongly toward Pain. \
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** This troper felt this very strongly toward Pain. \\\"You can\\\'t truly understand someone until you\\\'ve endured the same pain they\\\'ve endured... but understanding them doesn\\\'t necessarily mean you can reach an agreement.\\\" Sounds accurate to me. Yet he is treated as being wrong by virtue of being a WellIntentionedExtremist (and, more significantly, disagreeing with the protagonist) [[InformedWrongness without the author actually explaining why he\\\'s wrong]].
*** Yeah, es good as Pein\\\'s point might be, killing hundreds and thousands of people is hardly ever a proper way to do any good. Even if his goal was proper his actions were definitely evil.
** Okay, one could argue forever but the basic thing is: Naruto (the whole series) can\\\'t be taken serious. At least not in the last year or something. Argueing over what characters do why... One might argue Kishi just makes stuff up as he goes. The third Shippuuden movie\\\'s Aesop is basically made of this trope, though the writers obviously seem sure Strawman lost. [[spoiler: The Story is about a dangerous ninja who wants to abduct Kakashi to become invincible. Kakashi turns himself into a suicide bomb to sacrifice himself stopping him. Naruto goes after him against all orders to save Kakashi risking a already much stronger than himself ninja becoming even stronger. Of course, in the end he saves Kakashi and wins via DeusExMachina. Kakashi, Shikamaru, Tsunade... everyone agrees Naruto was right in going to save him no matter the risk.]]
** The reason they are actually wrong (and not just designated so) is that Danzo is a megalomaniac who cares nothing about what\\\'s good for the village, only himself. He pulled off a coup and attempted to brainwash the other kages. He is also on the record having dealings with enemies including Orochimaru and Salamander Hanzo, and those are just the crimes we know about. The Raikage gets it because only a CompleteMonster would have anything to do with [[MoralEventHorizon attempting to kidnap a three year old girl in order to steal her eyes, while pretending that it was a treaty negotiation,]] and then having the audacity to demand her father\\\'s blood for killing the man caught in the act. If anyone should have been demanding war after that, it\\\'s Konoha! The right thing to do would be to repudiate the attack and claim that the intruder acted of his own volition alone. Betraying a truce to target a child in her bedroom is not only an act of war, it ought to have been regarded as a criminal action by everyone in Kumo, and failing to repudiate it is indefensible.
This is getting way too long. Any issues people have with the entry should be worked out here, and we can re-add it once we have something that everyone can agree with.
*** Yeah, es good as Pein\\\'s point might be, killing hundreds and thousands of people is hardly ever a proper way to do any good. Even if his goal was proper his actions were definitely evil.
** Okay, one could argue forever but the basic thing is: Naruto (the whole series) can\\\'t be taken serious. At least not in the last year or something. Argueing over what characters do why... One might argue Kishi just makes stuff up as he goes. The third Shippuuden movie\\\'s Aesop is basically made of this trope, though the writers obviously seem sure Strawman lost. [[spoiler: The Story is about a dangerous ninja who wants to abduct Kakashi to become invincible. Kakashi turns himself into a suicide bomb to sacrifice himself stopping him. Naruto goes after him against all orders to save Kakashi risking a already much stronger than himself ninja becoming even stronger. Of course, in the end he saves Kakashi and wins via DeusExMachina. Kakashi, Shikamaru, Tsunade... everyone agrees Naruto was right in going to save him no matter the risk.]]
** The reason they are actually wrong (and not just designated so) is that Danzo is a megalomaniac who cares nothing about what\\\'s good for the village, only himself. He pulled off a coup and attempted to brainwash the other kages. He is also on the record having dealings with enemies including Orochimaru and Salamander Hanzo, and those are just the crimes we know about. The Raikage gets it because only a CompleteMonster would have anything to do with [[MoralEventHorizon attempting to kidnap a three year old girl in order to steal her eyes, while pretending that it was a treaty negotiation,]] and then having the audacity to demand her father\\\'s blood for killing the man caught in the act. If anyone should have been demanding war after that, it\\\'s Konoha! The right thing to do would be to repudiate the attack and claim that the intruder acted of his own volition alone. Betraying a truce to target a child in her bedroom is not only an act of war, it ought to have been regarded as a criminal action by everyone in Kumo, and failing to repudiate it is indefensible.
This is getting way too long. Any issues people have with the entry should be worked out here, and we can re-add it once we have something that everyone can agree with.
