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His acts aren\'t met with revulsion from everyone, only a few scientists.
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His acts aren\\\'t met with revulsion from everyone, only a few scientists. Even Saturn doesn\\\'t seem to be too put out by the whole lake spirits thing even though you fight him in the lab. Heck, given that he\\\'s the first person to tell you about the \\\"new world\\\" plan, it could even be thought of that he doesn\\\'t really care about the thought of universal destruction. If anything, it seems to be the lack of emotion that bothers him the most.
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I never said it gave him the right to do so. However, given that he was forced to be \
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I never said it gave him the right to do so. However, given that he was forced to be \\\"perfect\\\", it explains his drive to create a perfect universe. And let\\\'s face it, Cyrus is a very emotional person. Given that his past makes it unlikely that he felt any sort of positive emotion for very long, he\\\'d naturally assume that happiness was just an excuse (something he says directly) and that only pain exists (something he says in another canon but that matches his game thinking). And thus conclude that the world would be better off without it. Also consider that he\\\'s very willful, and he\\\'s known for his intelligence, the other two traits. With such a bad life, it\\\'s no wonder he\\\'d consider getting rid of those attributes the only way to bring peace. I never said it made sense to you and me, but to an unstable mind, it\\\'s a logical conclusion.
He was most likely lying when he said that he was taking it for himself, as he contradicts that several times later. Remember all the talk he did about his \\\"justice\\\", and ending strife? That was AFTER he said he was taking it for himself. He also said he\\\'d blow up the Celestic cave if anyone opposed him but even though everyone around him is opposing him, he never did it. He\\\'s about forcing people to act against him, and saying that he would be the only thing to exist was part of that. Besides, you say that his admins knew nothing? How come Mars and Jupiter heard his entire god rant on the Spear Pillar and did nothing then? If it was supposed to be that they didn\\\'t know, we would have known that (yes I\\\'m aware that Jupiter had previously said that Cyrus\\\'s plan was probably to rule Sinnoh, but he likely just told her his true plan in between those times).
Cynthia isn\\\'t the arbitrier of redemption, either. Besides, at that point there was no talking to him. It would have been worthless to continue. But since he\\\'s not exactly sealed up in there (a conclusion I\\\'ve never understood as there\\\'s nothing in the game to indicate it), there\\\'s always the future.
Anyway, the point that most riles me is the fourth. He claimed to be lying when he was completely calm and had control over his reactions. Later on, when he was more wild and impulsive and furious, he insisted that he could never abandon the world because he had to bring justice to it. That he had to create a world without strife and suffering. Given his states of mind in the respective scenes, frankly it seems obvious that his line in the base was his real lie. Now, granted, he\\\'d just given a speech about how they\\\'d all have power in the new world, and THAT was clearly a lie because he\\\'s far too much of a control freak to let anyone else touch his stuff. But as far as their existences, frankly there\\\'s no reason not to believe that there\\\'d be other people there. Hell, that\\\'s even his LAST LINE in the game, that you the player character (and Cynthia if he\\\'s using the plural \\\"you\\\") will be in his new world. And on Spear Pillar he\\\'d mentioned many others as well.
Bulbagarden has his dialogue if you want to examine more. Yes he\\\'s a terrible person, but he is NOT a Complete Monster. He\\\'s far more a Well Intentioned Extremist who believes Utopia Justifies the Means, to put it in trope terms.
He was most likely lying when he said that he was taking it for himself, as he contradicts that several times later. Remember all the talk he did about his \\\"justice\\\", and ending strife? That was AFTER he said he was taking it for himself. He also said he\\\'d blow up the Celestic cave if anyone opposed him but even though everyone around him is opposing him, he never did it. He\\\'s about forcing people to act against him, and saying that he would be the only thing to exist was part of that. Besides, you say that his admins knew nothing? How come Mars and Jupiter heard his entire god rant on the Spear Pillar and did nothing then? If it was supposed to be that they didn\\\'t know, we would have known that (yes I\\\'m aware that Jupiter had previously said that Cyrus\\\'s plan was probably to rule Sinnoh, but he likely just told her his true plan in between those times).
Cynthia isn\\\'t the arbitrier of redemption, either. Besides, at that point there was no talking to him. It would have been worthless to continue. But since he\\\'s not exactly sealed up in there (a conclusion I\\\'ve never understood as there\\\'s nothing in the game to indicate it), there\\\'s always the future.
Anyway, the point that most riles me is the fourth. He claimed to be lying when he was completely calm and had control over his reactions. Later on, when he was more wild and impulsive and furious, he insisted that he could never abandon the world because he had to bring justice to it. That he had to create a world without strife and suffering. Given his states of mind in the respective scenes, frankly it seems obvious that his line in the base was his real lie. Now, granted, he\\\'d just given a speech about how they\\\'d all have power in the new world, and THAT was clearly a lie because he\\\'s far too much of a control freak to let anyone else touch his stuff. But as far as their existences, frankly there\\\'s no reason not to believe that there\\\'d be other people there. Hell, that\\\'s even his LAST LINE in the game, that you the player character (and Cynthia if he\\\'s using the plural \\\"you\\\") will be in his new world. And on Spear Pillar he\\\'d mentioned many others as well.
Bulbagarden has his dialogue if you want to examine more. Yes he\\\'s a terrible person, but he is NOT a Complete Monster. He\\\'s far more a Well Intentioned Extremist who believes Utopia Justifies the Means, to put it in trope terms.
