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To be fair to TV Tropes, it\'s a pre-existing phrase. Critics love to use it in talking about works of art that have been \
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To be fair to TV Tropes, it\\\'s a pre-existing phrase. Critics love to use it in talking about works of art that have been \\\"vindicated by history\\\", or avante garde stuff that they think will be \\\"vindicated by history\\\". And of course, politicians use it all the time to justify themselves (\\\"history will vindicate me\\\").

It\\\'s an audience reaction trope, but I wouldn\\\'t want to see it marked subjective: at least as an objective page, the examples transcend the \\\"me and my friends like it\\\" logic that being a subjective trope would bring. History might change its mind, but VBH is much more easily codified than a subjective trope: what did critics say back then, and what do they say now (I say critics only because \\\"audience\\\" is much harder to objectively measure).

About \\\'\\\'CitizenKane\\\'\\\': that the movie most critics agree is the best movie of all time didn\\\'t win any Academy Awards may be worth noting, but if the reception was always great, it might just be an AwardSnub.
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To be fair to TV Tropes, it\'s a pre-existing phrase. Critics love to use it in talking about works of art that have been \
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To be fair to TV Tropes, it\\\'s a pre-existing phrase. Critics love to use it in talking about works of art that have been \\\"vindicated by history\\\", or avante garde stuff that they think will be \\\"vindicated by history\\\". And of course, politicians use it all the time to justify themselves (\\\"history will vindicate me\\\").

It\\\'s an audience reaction trope, but I wouldn\\\'t want to see it marked subjective: at least as an objective page, the examples transcend the \\\"me and my friends like it\\\" logic that being a subjective trope would bring. History might change its mind, but VBH is much more easily codified than a subjective trope: what did critics say back then, and what do they say now (I say critics only because \\\"audience\\\" is much harder to objectively measure).

About \\\'\\\'CitizenKane\\\'\\\', that the movie most critics agree is the best movie of all time didn\\\'t win a single Academy Award is probably worth noting, but if the reception was always great, it might just be an AwardSnub.
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To be fair to TV Tropes, it\'s a pre-existing phrase. Critics love to use it in talking about works of art that have been \
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To be fair to TV Tropes, it\\\'s a pre-existing phrase. Critics love to use it in talking about works of art that have been \\\"vindicated by history\\\", or avante garde stuff that they think will be \\\"vindicated by history\\\". And of course, politicians use it all the time to justify themselves (\\\"history will vindicate me\\\").

It\\\'s an audience reaction trope, but I wouldn\\\'t want to see it marked subjective: at least as an objective page, the examples transcend the \\\"me and my friends like it\\\" logic that being a subjective trope would bring. History might change its mind later, but VBH is much more easily codified than a subjective trope: what did critics say back then, and what do they say now (I say critics only because \\\"audience\\\" is much more nebulous and hard to confirm).

About \\\'\\\'CitizenKane\\\'\\\', that the movie most critics agree is the greatest movie ever didn\\\'t win a single Academy Award is probably worth noting, but if the reception was great even then, then it might just be an AwardSnub.
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To be fair to TV Tropes, it\'s a pre-existing phrase. Critics love to use it in talking about works of art that have been \
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To be fair to TV Tropes, it\\\'s a pre-existing phrase. Critics love to use it in talking about works of art that have been \\\"vindicated by history\\\", or avante garde stuff that they think will be \\\"vindicated by history\\\". And of course, politicians use it all the time to justify themselves (\\\"history will vindicate me\\\").

It\\\'s reception trope, but I wouldn\\\'t want to see it marked subjective: at least as an objective page, the examples still transcend the \\\"well, me and my friends like it\\\" logic that being a subjective trope would bring. History might change its mind later, but VBH is much more stable and easily codified than a subjective trope: what did critics say back then, and what do they say now (I say critics only because \\\"audience\\\" is much more nebulous and hard to confirm).

About \\\'\\\'CitizenKane\\\'\\\': that the movie most critics agree is the greatest movie of all time didn\\\'t win a single Academy Award is probably worth noting, but if the reception was great even then, then it might just be an AwardSnub.
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To be fair to TV Tropes, it\'s a pre-existing phrase. Critics love to use it in talking about works of art that have been \
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To be fair to TV Tropes, it\\\'s a pre-existing phrase. Critics love to use it in talking about works of art that have been \\\"vindicated by history\\\", or avante garde stuff that they think will be \\\"vindicated by history\\\". And of course, politicians use it all the time to justify themselves (\\\"history will vindicate me\\\").

It\\\'s reception trope, but I wouldn\\\'t want to see it marked subjective: at least as an objective page, the examples still transcend the \\\"well, me and my friends like it\\\" logic that being a subjective trope would rely on. History can change its mind later, but VBH much more stable and easily codified than a subjective trope (what did critics say back then, and what do they say now - I say critics only because \\\"audience\\\" is much more nebulous and hard to look up).

About \\\'\\\'CitizenKane\\\'\\\', the fact that the movie most critics agree is the greatest movie of all time didn\\\'t win a single Academy Award is probably worth noting, but if the reception was great even then, then it might just be an AwardSnub.
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To be fair to TV Tropes, it\'s a pre-existing phrase. Critics love to use it in talking about works of art that have been \
to:
To be fair to TV Tropes, it\\\'s a pre-existing phrase. Critics love to use it in talking about works of art that have been \\\"vindicated by history\\\", or avante garde stuff that they think will be \\\"vindicated by history\\\". And of course, politicians use it all the time to justify themselves (\\\"history will vindicate me\\\").

It\\\'s reception trope, but I wouldn\\\'t want to see it marked subjective: at least as an objective page, the examples still transcend the \\\"well, me and my friends like it\\\" logic that being a subjective trope would rely on. It may be subjective in the sense that history can change its mind later, but it\\\'s much more stable and easily codified than a subjective trope (what did critics say back then, and what do they say now - I say critics only because \\\"audience\\\" is much more nebulous and hard to look up, and lends itself to \\\"me and my friends\\\" logic).

As for \\\'\\\'CitizenKane\\\'\\\', the fact that the movie most critics agree is the greatest movie of all time didn\\\'t win a single Academy Award is probably worth noting, but if the reception was great even then and it really was just an AwardSnub, I\\\'d say feel free to move the example over to discussion.
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To be fair to TV Tropes, it\'s a pre-existing phrase. Critics love to use it in talking about works of art that have been \
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To be fair to TV Tropes, it\\\'s a pre-existing phrase. Critics love to use it in talking about works of art that have been \\\"vindicated by history\\\", or avante garde stuff that they think will be \\\"vindicated by history\\\". And of course, politicians use it all the time to justify themselves (\\\"history will vindicate me\\\").

It\\\'s reception trope, but I wouldn\\\'t want to see it marked subjective: at least as an objective page, the examples still transcend the \\\"well, me and my friends like it\\\" logic that being a subjective trope would rely on. It may be subjective in the sense that history can change its mind later, but it\\\'s much more stable and easily codified than a subjective trope (what did critics say back then, and what do they say now - I say critics only because \\\"audience\\\" is much more nebulous and hard to look up, and lends itself to \\\"me and my friends\\\" logic).

As for \\\'\\\'CitizenKane\\\'\\\', the fact that the movie most critics agree is the greatest movie of all time didn\\\'t win a single Academy Award is probably worth noting, but if the reception was great even then and it was just an AwardSnub, I\\\'d say feel free to move it to discussion.
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To be fair to TV Tropes, it\'s a pre-existing phrase. Critics love to use it in talking about works of art that have been \
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To be fair to TV Tropes, it\\\'s a pre-existing phrase. Critics love to use it in talking about works of art that have been \\\"vindicated by history\\\", or their favorite avante garde stuff that they think will be \\\"vindicated by history\\\". And of course, politicians use it all the time to justify themselves (\\\"history will vindicate me\\\").

It\\\'s reception trope, but I wouldn\\\'t want to see it marked subjective: at least as an objective page, the examples still transcend the \\\"well, me and my friends like it\\\" logic that being a subjective trope would rely on. It may be subjective in the sense that history can change its mind later, but it\\\'s much more stable and easily codified than a subjective trope (what did critics say back then, and what do they say now - I say critics only because \\\"audience\\\" is much more nebulous and hard to look up, and lends itself to \\\"me and my friends\\\" logic).

As for \\\'\\\'CitizenKane\\\'\\\', the fact that the movie most critics agree is the greatest movie of all time didn\\\'t win a single Academy Award is probably worth noting, but if the reception was great even then and it was just an AwardSnub, I\\\'d say feel free to move it to discussion.
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To be fair to TV Tropes, it\'s a pre existing phrase. Critics love to use it in either talking about works of art that have been \
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To be fair to TV Tropes, it\\\'s a pre-existing phrase. Critics love to use it in talking about works of art that have been \\\"vindicated by history\\\", or their favorite avante garde stuff that they think will be \\\"vindicated by history\\\". And of course, politicians use it all the time to justify themselves (\\\"history will vindicate me\\\").

It\\\'s reception trope, but I wouldn\\\'t want to see it marked subjective: at least as an objective page, the examples still transcend the \\\"well, me and my friends like it\\\" logic that being a subjective trope would rely on. It may be subjective in the sense that history can change its mind later, but it\\\'s much more easily codified than a subjective trope (what did critics say back then, and what do they say now - I say critics only because \\\"audience\\\" is so much more nebulous and hard to look up).

As for \\\'\\\'CitizenKane\\\'\\\', the fact that the movie most critics agree is the greatest movie of all time didn\\\'t win a single Academy Award is probably worth noting, but if the reception was great even then and it was just an AwardSnub, I\\\'d say feel free to move it to discussion.
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