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* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Elsa being able to [[spoiler:conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \
to:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Elsa being able to [[spoiler:conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]]]].
[=ChaoticNovelist=] updated it to
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Elsa being able to [[spoiler:conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]]]]. This is established as her learning more about her powers as she does about the source of them.
I updated it to:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Downplayed in that plot of story specifically involves Elsa adventuring to learn more about her powers and their source. However, her newfound ability to conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]] does provide the writers with a means for doing exposition dumps in a visually pleasing manner.
And then [=ChaoticNovelist=] changed it back to their version with no edit reason provided.
My reasoning for the changes I made was
- the trope as defined seems to comes across as new power introduced to spice up the character or story or to help the hero get out of a \\\"painted into a corner\\\" situation. Since the plot of Frozen 2 was for Elsa to learn more about her powers (which [=ChaoticNovelist=] points out) her gaining new abilities seemed to be an expected result of their adventures. Thus I felt the trope was downplayed.
- The description of her power to conjure images didn\\\'t seem to need spoiler tags because it doesn\\\'t reveal any plot-spoiling details. To me it seemed no different than the non-spoiler tagged revelation that Elsa gets a new dress.
Upon reflection, I realized that her actual power is not accurately described. Saying she can \\\"conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound\\\" only occurs when she\\\'s made it to Ahtohollan, the river of memory, and it\\\'s not clear whether it\\\'s a newly gained ability of Elsa or whether it\\\'s being done by the spirit of Ahtohollan.
All we know for sure, having seen Elsa do it outside of Ahtohollan, is that she can use the memories contained in water to create ice sculptures that are snapshot of the past... but no sound or movement.
Therefore, I suggest this new wording:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: The story establishes that [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]] and Elsa gains the ability to create ice sculptures that are guided by the memory contained in the water to show a frozen image of the past.
I still feel that describing the power itself does not require spoiler tags because it doesn\\\'t reveal any plot details, but I\\\'m not adamant about it.
EDIT: I will be out of town and AFK until Tue 10/25 and will probably not be able to participate in discussion until I return.
[=ChaoticNovelist=] updated it to
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Elsa being able to [[spoiler:conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]]]]. This is established as her learning more about her powers as she does about the source of them.
I updated it to:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Downplayed in that plot of story specifically involves Elsa adventuring to learn more about her powers and their source. However, her newfound ability to conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]] does provide the writers with a means for doing exposition dumps in a visually pleasing manner.
And then [=ChaoticNovelist=] changed it back to their version with no edit reason provided.
My reasoning for the changes I made was
- the trope as defined seems to comes across as new power introduced to spice up the character or story or to help the hero get out of a \\\"painted into a corner\\\" situation. Since the plot of Frozen 2 was for Elsa to learn more about her powers (which [=ChaoticNovelist=] points out) her gaining new abilities seemed to be an expected result of their adventures. Thus I felt the trope was downplayed.
- The description of her power to conjure images didn\\\'t seem to need spoiler tags because it doesn\\\'t reveal any plot-spoiling details. To me it seemed no different than the non-spoiler tagged revelation that Elsa gets a new dress.
Upon reflection, I realized that her actual power is not accurately described. Saying she can \\\"conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound\\\" only occurs when she\\\'s made it to Ahtohollan, the river of memory, and it\\\'s not clear whether it\\\'s a newly gained ability of Elsa or whether it\\\'s being done by the spirit of Ahtohollan.
All we know for sure, having seen Elsa do it outside of Ahtohollan, is that she can use the memories contained in water to create ice sculptures that are snapshot of the past... but no sound or movement.
Therefore, I suggest this new wording:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: The story establishes that [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]] and Elsa gains the ability to create ice sculptures that are guided by the memory contained in the water to show a frozen image of the past.
I still feel that describing the power itself does not require spoiler tags because it doesn\\\'t reveal any plot details, but I\\\'m not adamant about it.
EDIT: I will be out of town and AFK until Tue 10/25 and will probably not be able to participate in discussion until I return.
Changed line(s) 5 from:
n
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Elsa being able to [[spoiler:conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \
to:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Elsa being able to [[spoiler:conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]]]].
[=ChaoticNovelist=] updated it to
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Elsa being able to [[spoiler:conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]]]]. This is established as her learning more about her powers as she does about the source of them.
I updated it to:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Downplayed in that plot of story specifically involves Elsa adventuring to learn more about her powers and their source. However, her newfound ability to conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]] does provide the writers with a means for doing exposition dumps in a visually pleasing manner.
And then [=ChaoticNovelist=] changed it back to their version with no edit reason provided.
My reasoning for the changes I made was
- the trope as defined seems to comes across as new power introduced to spice up the character or story or to help the hero get out of a \\\"painted into a corner\\\" situation. Since the plot of Frozen 2 was for Elsa to learn more about her powers (which [=ChaoticNovelist=] points out) her gaining new abilities seemed to be an expected result of their adventures. Thus I felt the trope was downplayed.
- The description of her power to conjure images didn\\\'t seem to need spoiler tags because it doesn\\\'t reveal any plot-spoiling details. To me it seemed no different than the non-spoiler tagged revelation that Elsa gets a new dress.
Upon reflection, I realized that her actual power is not accurately described. Saying she can \\\"conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound\\\" only occurs when she\\\'s made it to Ahtohollan, the river of memory, and it\\\'s not clear whether it\\\'s a newly gained ability of Elsa or whether it\\\'s being done by the spirit of Ahtohollan.
All we know for sure, having seen Elsa do it outside of Ahtohollan, is that she can use the memories contained in water to create ice sculptures that are snapshot of the past... but no sound or movement.
Therefore, I suggest this new wording:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: The story establishes that [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]] and Elsa gains the ability to create ice sculptures that are guided by the memory contained in the water to show a frozen image of the past.
I still feel that describing the power itself does not require spoiler tags because it doesn\\\'t reveal any plot details, but I\\\'m not adamant about it.
[=ChaoticNovelist=] updated it to
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Elsa being able to [[spoiler:conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]]]]. This is established as her learning more about her powers as she does about the source of them.
I updated it to:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Downplayed in that plot of story specifically involves Elsa adventuring to learn more about her powers and their source. However, her newfound ability to conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]] does provide the writers with a means for doing exposition dumps in a visually pleasing manner.
And then [=ChaoticNovelist=] changed it back to their version with no edit reason provided.
My reasoning for the changes I made was
- the trope as defined seems to comes across as new power introduced to spice up the character or story or to help the hero get out of a \\\"painted into a corner\\\" situation. Since the plot of Frozen 2 was for Elsa to learn more about her powers (which [=ChaoticNovelist=] points out) her gaining new abilities seemed to be an expected result of their adventures. Thus I felt the trope was downplayed.
- The description of her power to conjure images didn\\\'t seem to need spoiler tags because it doesn\\\'t reveal any plot-spoiling details. To me it seemed no different than the non-spoiler tagged revelation that Elsa gets a new dress.
Upon reflection, I realized that her actual power is not accurately described. Saying she can \\\"conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound\\\" only occurs when she\\\'s made it to Ahtohollan, the river of memory, and it\\\'s not clear whether it\\\'s a newly gained ability of Elsa or whether it\\\'s being done by the spirit of Ahtohollan.
All we know for sure, having seen Elsa do it outside of Ahtohollan, is that she can use the memories contained in water to create ice sculptures that are snapshot of the past... but no sound or movement.
Therefore, I suggest this new wording:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: The story establishes that [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]] and Elsa gains the ability to create ice sculptures that are guided by the memory contained in the water to show a frozen image of the past.
I still feel that describing the power itself does not require spoiler tags because it doesn\\\'t reveal any plot details, but I\\\'m not adamant about it.
Changed line(s) 5 from:
n
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Elsa being able to [[spoiler:conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \
to:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Elsa being able to [[spoiler:conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]]]].
[=ChaoticNovelist=] updated it to
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Elsa being able to [[spoiler:conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]]]]. This is established as her learning more about her powers as she does about the source of them.
I updated it to:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Downplayed in that plot of story specifically involves Elsa adventuring to learn more about her powers and their source. However, her newfound ability to conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]] does provide the writers with a means for doing exposition dumps in a visually pleasing manner.
And then [=ChaoticNovelist=] changed it back to their version with no edit reason provided.
My reasoning for the changes I made was\\\\\\\\
- the trope as defined seems to comes across as new power introduced to spice up the character or story or to help the hero get out of a \\\"painted into a corner\\\" situation. Since the plot of Frozen 2 was for Elsa to learn more about her powers (which [=ChaoticNovelist=] points out) her gaining new abilities seemed to be an expected result of their adventures. Thus I felt the trope was downplayed.
- The description of her power to conjure images didn\\\'t seem to need spoiler tags because it doesn\\\'t reveal any plot-spoiling details. To me it seemed no different than the non-spoiler tagged revelation that Elsa gets a new dress.
Upon reflection, I realized that her actual power is not accurately described. Saying she can \\\"conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound\\\" only occurs when she\\\'s made it to Ahtohollan, the river of memory, and it\\\'s not clear whether it\\\'s a newly gained ability of Elsa or whether it\\\'s being done by the spirit of Ahtohollan.
All we know for sure, having seen Elsa do it outside of Ahtohollan, is that she can use the memories contained in water to create ice sculptures that are snapshot of the past... but no sound or movement.
Therefore, I suggest this new wording:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: The story establishes that [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]] and Elsa gains the ability to create ice sculptures that are guided by the memory contained in the water to show a frozen image of the past.
I still feel that describing the power itself does not require spoiler tags because it doesn\\\'t reveal any plot details, but I\\\'m not adamant about it.
[=ChaoticNovelist=] updated it to
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Elsa being able to [[spoiler:conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]]]]. This is established as her learning more about her powers as she does about the source of them.
I updated it to:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Downplayed in that plot of story specifically involves Elsa adventuring to learn more about her powers and their source. However, her newfound ability to conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]] does provide the writers with a means for doing exposition dumps in a visually pleasing manner.
And then [=ChaoticNovelist=] changed it back to their version with no edit reason provided.
My reasoning for the changes I made was\\\\\\\\
- the trope as defined seems to comes across as new power introduced to spice up the character or story or to help the hero get out of a \\\"painted into a corner\\\" situation. Since the plot of Frozen 2 was for Elsa to learn more about her powers (which [=ChaoticNovelist=] points out) her gaining new abilities seemed to be an expected result of their adventures. Thus I felt the trope was downplayed.
- The description of her power to conjure images didn\\\'t seem to need spoiler tags because it doesn\\\'t reveal any plot-spoiling details. To me it seemed no different than the non-spoiler tagged revelation that Elsa gets a new dress.
Upon reflection, I realized that her actual power is not accurately described. Saying she can \\\"conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound\\\" only occurs when she\\\'s made it to Ahtohollan, the river of memory, and it\\\'s not clear whether it\\\'s a newly gained ability of Elsa or whether it\\\'s being done by the spirit of Ahtohollan.
All we know for sure, having seen Elsa do it outside of Ahtohollan, is that she can use the memories contained in water to create ice sculptures that are snapshot of the past... but no sound or movement.
Therefore, I suggest this new wording:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: The story establishes that [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]] and Elsa gains the ability to create ice sculptures that are guided by the memory contained in the water to show a frozen image of the past.
I still feel that describing the power itself does not require spoiler tags because it doesn\\\'t reveal any plot details, but I\\\'m not adamant about it.
Changed line(s) 5 from:
n
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Elsa being able to [[spoiler:conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \
to:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Elsa being able to [[spoiler:conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]]]].
[=ChaoticNovelist=] updated it to
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Elsa being able to [[spoiler:conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]]]]. This is established as her learning more about her powers as she does about the source of them.
I updated it to:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Downplayed in that plot of story specifically involves Elsa adventuring to learn more about her powers and their source. However, her newfound ability to conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]] does provide the writers with a means for doing exposition dumps in a visually pleasing manner.
And then [=ChaoticNovelist=] changed it back to their version with no edit reason provided.
My reasoning for the changes I made was//
- the trope as defined seems to comes across as new power introduced to spice up the character or story or to help the hero get out of a \\\"painted into a corner\\\" situation. Since the plot of Frozen 2 was for Elsa to learn more about her powers (which [=ChaoticNovelist=] points out) her gaining new abilities seemed to be an expected result of their adventures. Thus I felt the trope was downplayed.
- The description of her power to conjure images didn\\\'t seem to need spoiler tags because it doesn\\\'t reveal any plot-spoiling details. To me it seemed no different than the non-spoiler tagged revelation that Elsa gets a new dress.
Upon reflection, I realized that her actual power is not accurately described. Saying she can \\\"conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound\\\" only occurs when she\\\'s made it to Ahtohollan, the river of memory, and it\\\'s not clear whether it\\\'s a newly gained ability of Elsa or whether it\\\'s being done by the spirit of Ahtohollan.
All we know for sure, having seen Elsa do it outside of Ahtohollan, is that she can use the memories contained in water to create ice sculptures that are snapshot of the past... but no sound or movement.
Therefore, I suggest this new wording:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: The story establishes that [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]] and Elsa gains the ability to create ice sculptures that are guided by the memory contained in the water to show a frozen image of the past.
I still feel that describing the power itself does not require spoiler tags because it doesn\\\'t reveal any plot details, but I\\\'m not adamant about it.
[=ChaoticNovelist=] updated it to
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Elsa being able to [[spoiler:conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]]]]. This is established as her learning more about her powers as she does about the source of them.
I updated it to:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Downplayed in that plot of story specifically involves Elsa adventuring to learn more about her powers and their source. However, her newfound ability to conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]] does provide the writers with a means for doing exposition dumps in a visually pleasing manner.
And then [=ChaoticNovelist=] changed it back to their version with no edit reason provided.
My reasoning for the changes I made was//
- the trope as defined seems to comes across as new power introduced to spice up the character or story or to help the hero get out of a \\\"painted into a corner\\\" situation. Since the plot of Frozen 2 was for Elsa to learn more about her powers (which [=ChaoticNovelist=] points out) her gaining new abilities seemed to be an expected result of their adventures. Thus I felt the trope was downplayed.
- The description of her power to conjure images didn\\\'t seem to need spoiler tags because it doesn\\\'t reveal any plot-spoiling details. To me it seemed no different than the non-spoiler tagged revelation that Elsa gets a new dress.
Upon reflection, I realized that her actual power is not accurately described. Saying she can \\\"conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound\\\" only occurs when she\\\'s made it to Ahtohollan, the river of memory, and it\\\'s not clear whether it\\\'s a newly gained ability of Elsa or whether it\\\'s being done by the spirit of Ahtohollan.
All we know for sure, having seen Elsa do it outside of Ahtohollan, is that she can use the memories contained in water to create ice sculptures that are snapshot of the past... but no sound or movement.
Therefore, I suggest this new wording:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: The story establishes that [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]] and Elsa gains the ability to create ice sculptures that are guided by the memory contained in the water to show a frozen image of the past.
I still feel that describing the power itself does not require spoiler tags because it doesn\\\'t reveal any plot details, but I\\\'m not adamant about it.
Changed line(s) 5 from:
n
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Elsa being able to [[spoiler:conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \
to:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Elsa being able to [[spoiler:conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]]]].
[=ChaoticNovelist=] updated it to
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Elsa being able to [[spoiler:conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]]]]. This is established as her learning more about her powers as she does about the source of them.
I updated it to:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Downplayed in that plot of story specifically involves Elsa adventuring to learn more about her powers and their source. However, her newfound ability to conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]] does provide the writers with a means for doing exposition dumps in a visually pleasing manner.
And then [=ChaoticNovelist=] changed it back to their version with no edit reason provided.
My reasoning for the changes I made was
- the trope as defined seems to comes across as new power introduced to spice up the character or story or to help the hero get out of a \\\"painted into a corner\\\" situation. Since the plot of Frozen 2 was for Elsa to learn more about her powers (which [=ChaoticNovelist=] points out) her gaining new abilities seemed to be an expected result of their adventures. Thus I felt the trope was downplayed.
- The description of her power to conjure images didn\\\'t seem to need spoiler tags because it doesn\\\'t reveal any plot-spoiling details. To me it seemed no different than the non-spoiler tagged revelation that Elsa gets a new dress.
Upon reflection, I realized that her actual power is not accurately described. Saying she can \\\"conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound\\\" only occurs when she\\\'s made it to Ahtohollan, the river of memory, and it\\\'s not clear whether it\\\'s a newly gained ability of Elsa or whether it\\\'s being done by the spirit of Ahtohollan.
All we know for sure, having seen Elsa do it outside of Ahtohollan, is that she can use the memories contained in water to create ice sculptures that are snapshot of the past... but no sound or movement.
Therefore, I suggest this new wording:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: The story establishes that [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]] and Elsa gains the ability to create ice sculptures that are guided by the memory contained in the water to show a frozen image of the past.
I still feel that describing the power itself does not require spoiler tags because it doesn\\\'t reveal any plot details, but I\\\'m not adamant about it.
[=ChaoticNovelist=] updated it to
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Elsa being able to [[spoiler:conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]]]]. This is established as her learning more about her powers as she does about the source of them.
I updated it to:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: Downplayed in that plot of story specifically involves Elsa adventuring to learn more about her powers and their source. However, her newfound ability to conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound, because [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]] does provide the writers with a means for doing exposition dumps in a visually pleasing manner.
And then [=ChaoticNovelist=] changed it back to their version with no edit reason provided.
My reasoning for the changes I made was
- the trope as defined seems to comes across as new power introduced to spice up the character or story or to help the hero get out of a \\\"painted into a corner\\\" situation. Since the plot of Frozen 2 was for Elsa to learn more about her powers (which [=ChaoticNovelist=] points out) her gaining new abilities seemed to be an expected result of their adventures. Thus I felt the trope was downplayed.
- The description of her power to conjure images didn\\\'t seem to need spoiler tags because it doesn\\\'t reveal any plot-spoiling details. To me it seemed no different than the non-spoiler tagged revelation that Elsa gets a new dress.
Upon reflection, I realized that her actual power is not accurately described. Saying she can \\\"conjure images from the past in ice, complete with sound\\\" only occurs when she\\\'s made it to Ahtohollan, the river of memory, and it\\\'s not clear whether it\\\'s a newly gained ability of Elsa or whether it\\\'s being done by the spirit of Ahtohollan.
All we know for sure, having seen Elsa do it outside of Ahtohollan, is that she can use the memories contained in water to create ice sculptures that are snapshot of the past... but no sound or movement.
Therefore, I suggest this new wording:
* NewPowersAsThePlotDemands: The story establishes that [[ArcWords \\\"water has memory\\\"]] and Elsa gains the ability to create ice sculptures that are guided by the memory contained in the water to show a frozen image of the past.
I still feel that describing the power itself does not require spoiler tags because it doesn\\\'t reveal any plot details, but I\\\'m not adamant about it.
