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Tropers.poi99 removed the following section: \\\" tropes, to the point the work seems like it only [[WantsAPrizeForBasicDecency wants \\\"decency points\\\" for saying that trans women can be beautiful]].\\\"
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Sorry for kicking this particular hornet\\\'s nest, but...complaining about the universality of transphobia while *also* crying WantsAPrizeForBasicDecency in the same trope description come off as WikiSchizophrenia. Either transphobia is common enough that a work that is absent of it / subverts it really is morally exceptional...*or* acceptance of trans people is common enough that seeking credit for it is indeed Wants A Prize For Basic Decency. It can\\\'t be both.
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The basic argument is wrong: yes, transphobia can very much be extremely prevalent while tiny actions which go against it can fall into wanting a prize for basic decency. In fact, that is the \\\'\\\'textbook definition\\\'\\\' of wanting a prize for basic decency: performing a small gesture of barely treating a person with kindness and then expecting to be praised for it. For example, if a spouse violently beats the other spouse, they don\\\'t get a prize when they finally choose not to beat them.
In this case, the problem is that this trope treats transgender characters as sex objects often in order to \\\"seem progressive\\\" when really, it\\\'s anything but.
For the following reason:
Sorry for kicking this particular hornet\\\'s nest, but...complaining about the universality of transphobia while *also* crying WantsAPrizeForBasicDecency in the same trope description come off as WikiSchizophrenia. Either transphobia is common enough that a work that is absent of it / subverts it really is morally exceptional...*or* acceptance of trans people is common enough that seeking credit for it is indeed Wants A Prize For Basic Decency. It can\\\'t be both.
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The basic argument is wrong: yes, transphobia can very much be extremely prevalent while tiny actions which go against it can fall into wanting a prize for basic decency. In fact, that is the \\\'\\\'textbook definition\\\'\\\' of wanting a prize for basic decency: performing a small gesture of barely treating a person with kindness and then expecting to be praised for it. For example, if a spouse violently beats the other spouse, they don\\\'t get a prize when they finally choose not to beat them.
In this case, the problem is that this trope treats transgender characters as sex objects often in order to \\\"seem progressive\\\" when really, it\\\'s anything but.
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Tropers.poi99 removed the following section: \\\" tropes, to the point the work seems like it only [[WantsAPrizeForBasicDecency wants \\\"decency points\\\" for saying that trans women can be beautiful]].\\\"
For the following reason:
Sorry for kicking this particular hornet\\\'s nest, but...complaining about the universality of transphobia while *also* crying WantsAPrizeForBasicDecency in the same trope description come off as WikiSchizophrenia. Either transphobia is common enough that a work that is absent of it / subverts it really is morally exceptional...*or* acceptance of trans people is common enough that seeking credit for it is indeed Wants A Prize For Basic Decency. It can\\\'t be both.
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To start off, the fact that they call this \\\"crying\\\" is pretty telling. However, that aside, the basic argument is wrong: yes, transphobia can very much be extremely prevalent while tiny actions which go against it can fall into wanting a prize for basic decency. In fact, that is the \\\'\\\'textbook definition\\\'\\\' of wanting a prize for basic decency: performing a small gesture of barely treating a person with kindness and then expecting to be praised for it. For example, if a spouse violently beats the other spouse, they don\\\'t get a prize when they finally choose not to beat them.
In this case, the problem is that this trope treats transgender characters as sex objects often in order to \\\"seem progressive\\\" when really, it\\\'s anything but.
For the following reason:
Sorry for kicking this particular hornet\\\'s nest, but...complaining about the universality of transphobia while *also* crying WantsAPrizeForBasicDecency in the same trope description come off as WikiSchizophrenia. Either transphobia is common enough that a work that is absent of it / subverts it really is morally exceptional...*or* acceptance of trans people is common enough that seeking credit for it is indeed Wants A Prize For Basic Decency. It can\\\'t be both.
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To start off, the fact that they call this \\\"crying\\\" is pretty telling. However, that aside, the basic argument is wrong: yes, transphobia can very much be extremely prevalent while tiny actions which go against it can fall into wanting a prize for basic decency. In fact, that is the \\\'\\\'textbook definition\\\'\\\' of wanting a prize for basic decency: performing a small gesture of barely treating a person with kindness and then expecting to be praised for it. For example, if a spouse violently beats the other spouse, they don\\\'t get a prize when they finally choose not to beat them.
In this case, the problem is that this trope treats transgender characters as sex objects often in order to \\\"seem progressive\\\" when really, it\\\'s anything but.
