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** A few fans have accused D&D's portrayal of some female characters of fitting this trope, namely Brienne's insultingly calling Jaime a woman, the uber-girly Sansa becoming seductive and wearing a
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** A few fans have accused D&D\'s portrayal of some female characters of fitting this trope, namely Brienne\'s insultingly calling Jaime a woman, the uber-girly Sansa becoming seductive and wearing a \"needle\" necklace (akin to her sister\'s Needle) to show how \"strong\" she\'s become, and Arya being far more of a stereotypical tomboy than she ever was in the books and slight misogynist (shooting a perfect arrow without any training, saying [[NotLikeOtherGirls herself]] other girls are idiots, derisively dismissing Sansa\'s girly interests, and generally being portrayed far more sympathetically than the feminine Sansa). In the books, Brienne respects Catelyn\'s \"woman\'s courage\", Sansa\'s girliness is never portrayed as silly or weak, and Arya admires many women and looks up to her Girly Girl sister. Also, who in the books is the only one of the Starks showing support to incorporating Cersei\'s House\'s sigil into the royal sigil, because \"the woman is important, too\"? Yes, Arya. Quite a different approach than her BoomerangBigot tendencies in the show.
** On the other hand, Olenna and Margaery Tyrell are both very girly, but are also politically shrewd, cunning and manage to run rings around the Lannisters for a few seasons. And Daenerys Targaryen, one of the most powerful women on the show, is almost always seen wearing dresses and jewellery (even when she lived amongst the Dothraki), and [[spoiler: until Season 6]] is a [[NonActionGuy Non-Action Girl]] who relies on wits and charisma to get by.
** In \"The Ghost of Harrenhal\" (2.05), Brienne tells Catelyn she has \"a woman\'s kind of courage\" right before becoming Catelyn\'s sworn sword. Also, it isn\'t Sansa\'s girliness that is treated as silly or weak; it\'s her naivete and innocence in the political hellhole that is King\'s Landing.
** Jon Snow insisting that women train and fight alongside men in \"Dragonstone\" is rightfully treated as a sign that GenderIsNoObject, but Lyanna Mormont\'s declaration that, \"I don\'t plan on knitting by the fire while men fight for me,\" strongly implies that traditionally feminine pursuits are tantamount to [[DamselInDistress passivity]] compared to being an ActionGirl on the front line, something the many thousands of women who\'ve served proudly in auxiliary roles and on the home front throughout history would no doubt \'\'hotly\'\' dispute. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladies_aid_societies Ladies\' Aid societies]] in the UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar seem especially apropos since they show knitting warm clothing and blankets is indeed useful in wartime.
This item is misplaced on the YMMV page. RealWomenDontWearDresses is not a subjective item, nor is it an excuse to rant (\"a few fans have accused...\") As it stands it\'s just arguing with itself (\"on the other hand...\") with examples met with counter-examples. If there\'s something objective here, it needs to be rewritten first before it can go on the main page.
** On the other hand, Olenna and Margaery Tyrell are both very girly, but are also politically shrewd, cunning and manage to run rings around the Lannisters for a few seasons. And Daenerys Targaryen, one of the most powerful women on the show, is almost always seen wearing dresses and jewellery (even when she lived amongst the Dothraki), and [[spoiler: until Season 6]] is a [[NonActionGuy Non-Action Girl]] who relies on wits and charisma to get by.
** In \"The Ghost of Harrenhal\" (2.05), Brienne tells Catelyn she has \"a woman\'s kind of courage\" right before becoming Catelyn\'s sworn sword. Also, it isn\'t Sansa\'s girliness that is treated as silly or weak; it\'s her naivete and innocence in the political hellhole that is King\'s Landing.
** Jon Snow insisting that women train and fight alongside men in \"Dragonstone\" is rightfully treated as a sign that GenderIsNoObject, but Lyanna Mormont\'s declaration that, \"I don\'t plan on knitting by the fire while men fight for me,\" strongly implies that traditionally feminine pursuits are tantamount to [[DamselInDistress passivity]] compared to being an ActionGirl on the front line, something the many thousands of women who\'ve served proudly in auxiliary roles and on the home front throughout history would no doubt \'\'hotly\'\' dispute. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladies_aid_societies Ladies\' Aid societies]] in the UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar seem especially apropos since they show knitting warm clothing and blankets is indeed useful in wartime.
This item is misplaced on the YMMV page. RealWomenDontWearDresses is not a subjective item, nor is it an excuse to rant (\"a few fans have accused...\") As it stands it\'s just arguing with itself (\"on the other hand...\") with examples met with counter-examples. If there\'s something objective here, it needs to be rewritten first before it can go on the main page.
