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Supplementary material still counts as work's content.
Kuruni appears to be some meta cleanup today, but I don't see an issue with their edits (aside "no meta moment" not being grammatically correct), nor I see which of their edits involved a bonus material for a movie, so there's nothing to do for now.
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I will add them immediately now.
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- This deleted scene "Celebrity Tour
" becomes somewhat sobering once you know Héctor's true nature. Even when there's no one on the train (save Miguel), he goes through the motions and talks to passengers who aren't there. It's an indication that after everything he's been through note , it really did take a toll on his sanity somehow.
- An extended version of this deleted scene reveals that Héctor isn't just going through the motions, he's struggling with his profession as a tour guide, especially after Ernesto asks him to stop driving by his house. It's implied that ever since, tourists have stopped coming because they want nothing less than to see Ernesto de la Cruz.
- In "Family Fix", Miguel's devastation when Ernesto destroys Héctor's guitar, thus destroying Miguel's last chance of returning to the Land of the Living.
- The original prologue opened with the night that Ernesto died, showing him getting "his" guitar and telling it "Show time, old friend". The sad thing is, Héctor's the one who should be holding that guitar and being acquainted enough to call it his old friend.
- In "Bus Escape", Héctor's definition of loneliness is surprisingly poignant.
- There's a scene in the novelization that's not found in the film, when Miguel admits to Héctor that he doesn't get along well with most of his living family members, as they try to hold him back from following his heart. The following exchange occurs.
Héctor: Let me tell you something, chamaco. When I follow my heart, guess where it leads? It leads to my family.
- Another such sad moment in the book: we're treated to a flashback of Coco as a grown woman and a mother of two (Elena and Victoria). In secret, she dances to herself. But one day, she accidentally falls over and sprains her ankle. The family is in such a panic as to how she injured herself. While everyone gets her medical aid, her daughters cry for their mother. This is Elena and Victoria we're talking about here. From then on, Coco promises herself that if she doesn't want to upset her daughters like she did just now, she will never dance again.
- What makes it especially sad is, if not to the same degree of bitterness, Coco followed her mother's footsteps: allowing one bad experience to keep her from doing what she loves best. At least Coco swore off dancing for the right reason.
- When Miguel and Héctor are talking about what Ernesto de la Cruz is like, Héctor (without meaning to hurt the boy's feelings) says this:
Héctor: Well, I have met him, and honestly, I don't think he'd care for you.
- Back when Miguel was a baby, Coco was sadly musing to herself how quickly time went by and she's already an old woman.
- Héctor recalling what it was like when he and Ernesto went on their music tour. It was fun at first, but then Héctor started to miss home. Playing music for others starts to feel more and more like work. Even Ernesto shows shades of this same tiredness (at least whenever they only garner a small crowd).
- After learning that Ernesto killed Héctor, Miguel tries to remind himself that de la Cruz is his hero. But he looks back on all the times he left something at his de la Cruz offrenda, and wonders to himself if to Ernesto he was just another faceless fan.
- Another such sad moment in the book: we're treated to a flashback of Coco as a grown woman and a mother of two (Elena and Victoria). In secret, she dances to herself. But one day, she accidentally falls over and sprains her ankle. The family is in such a panic as to how she injured herself. While everyone gets her medical aid, her daughters cry for their mother. This is Elena and Victoria we're talking about here. From then on, Coco promises herself that if she doesn't want to upset her daughters like she did just now, she will never dance again.
I'm of the camp that an officially released Deleted Scene as bonus material should count as work that can be discussed as part of the work, but I may be on the minority there.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
@mewtron, I agree with you, but dont feel bad for feeling that way. What matters is the policy currently in place, the only time time where minority or majority matters is when deciding if the policy itself should change.
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This is similar to this question and maybe we do need a thread if content removed from the final work is still tropable, unless there's a policy I've missed.
I REALLY think we do. This may not be a recurring problem but one we should nip in the bud because otherwise we will forget this by tomorrow and never correct it.
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So I did as I was told and realized Kuruni deletes working versions (As in Meterial that is not canon to the final version of a movie but was still legitimately realized Bonus Material) saying they "Are meta moments". I dont think these are meta at all and as I was told on the moments thread there is no actual rule saying these are against the rules.
EDIT: This is from Coco
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=TearJerker.Coco&page=10#edit35539572
I think what happened is that ANOTHER troper thought the deleted scenes WERE meta and put them under that folder and Kuruni removed them entirely, so its not Kuruni who is at fault here.
EDIT 2: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=TearJerker.Zootopia&page=8#edit35539628
Yup, that's pretty much what happened.
Edited by AegisP