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Veanne Since: Jul, 2012
15th Apr, 2024 10:12:16 PM

Artistic License – Biology would cover it, as well as Anthropic Principle (if she couldn't stab him, the plot point couldn't work). You might try Muscles Are Meaningless.

M2Medium Since: Jan, 2024
16th Apr, 2024 06:05:19 AM

Thank you to both! I think Artistic License – Biology covers it closest, with a dash of Muscles Are Meaningless and Waif-Fu added to the mix.

Veanne Since: Jul, 2012
16th Apr, 2024 10:12:23 PM

Yay! (I completely forgot about Waif-Fu...)

MiinU Since: Jun, 2011
16th Apr, 2024 11:19:53 PM

For the record, its neither unrealistic or unheard-of for a woman to physically overpower a man. You have to consider differences in bodyweight, physical strength, and training as well as gender.

I wouldn't mind failure so much, if I didn't fail so much.
Veanne Since: Jul, 2012
17th Apr, 2024 08:46:01 AM

Yes, but the OP explains this is about a small woman outpowering a man who should be physically stronger.

M2Medium Since: Jan, 2024
17th Apr, 2024 03:09:34 PM

^^ I didn't say it was unrealistic or unheard of, I just said it was rare in Real Life. The average man has roughly 2-4 times the upper body strength of the average woman. There are certainly highly trained female athletes who close the gap and exceed it, but that's not the norm.

Looking more closely, I am wondering if the definitions of Waif-Fu and Muscles Are Meaningless would cover what I'm trying to describe. I'll ponder it some more and welcome any fresh input/perspective. Perhaps something workable for the Launch Pad might grow out of it.

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M2Medium Since: Jan, 2024
19th Apr, 2024 06:05:18 PM

The more I look at this, the more I think Waif-Fu and Muscles Are Meaningless don't cover what I'm describing. They're related, just as Artistic License – Biology and Anthropic Principle would be related. On Resident Alien, there's a scene where Ax-Crazy Lisa is strangling David. She's a slender woman, David's a fit military officer who probably outweighs her by 50-60 pounds. She's behind him with her right arm around his neck, and he is just flailing uselessly and making no attempt to break free. His arms aren't restrained. Again, just as in the Bullet Train example I mentioned above, the strength/height/weight advantage is all his. All he has to do is reach up, grab her right arm with both hands, and yank downwards as hard as he can, using the combined strength of his triceps, rear deltoids, and lats. It's no contest. He'll break her chokehold, and likely break her arm as well. I'll start putting together other examples for a possible Launch Pad proposal.

Veanne Since: Jul, 2012
20th Apr, 2024 03:13:16 AM

Have you looked at Wouldn't Hit a Girl? The description discusses the issue. Also, if the guy is generally a good fighter, perhaps he's been thrown a curved Idiot Ball ?

M2Medium Since: Jan, 2024
20th Apr, 2024 04:47:38 PM

^ Thank you! Both of those would be related to what I'm describing, which would be situations where a woman has the upper hand in a fight or a struggle, whereas in Real Life, they wouldn't. I look at the two examples I've already provided above, and think of how instructors for women's self-defense classes will always tell them that a woman trying to grapple with a man is not a good idea. What I'm trying to do is put something together for situations where a man should easily be able to escape from or defeat a woman, because of the strength advantage men generally have, but for the purposes of the plot he can't. If I post something up on the Launch Pad, then the troper community can weigh in or whether or not it's a Pass or a Fail. I really appreciate your comments and perspective.

Ner0014reN Since: Aug, 2023
Veanne Since: Jul, 2012
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