Paging ~Wyldchyld to the thread as requested.
Anyway, this strikes me as The Same, but More Specific to Padding due to it being medium-specific (as with past cases of "X, but Japanese" tropes that were brought to TRS). Also, it was claimed that this isn't thriving in the wick check, but 111 is well above the healthy range. The issue here is redundancy, not page health.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 29th 2024 at 1:47:39 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Other options:
- Rename and rewrite the description to be less Japanese. It's not specific to anime and isn't necessarily Padding, it's a common issue that in text form you can shove entire dialogue into one scene, but when it's adapted you have to do something about it. Maybe it can be broadened into Adaptational Action Talk Change .
- Disambiguate between Talking Is a Free Action and Padding due to being a merged concept of the two.
Edited by Amonimus on Mar 1st 2024 at 11:25:17 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupI don't think we have enough examples to make this less Japanese without sending it back to TLP/Yarding it.
Disambiguating between Talking Is a Free Action and Padding sounds fine, since that appears to cover where we'd move salvageable examples if we get rid of this.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 1st 2024 at 3:27:59 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.If examples are insufficient we can just drop it in the Yard and go with the other option.
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupNot So Fast is a redirect because it's the original name of the trope dating back to 2006, which further clarifies some of the issues involved here.
I say just yard, unless anyone has a better idea.
back lolSend it back to TLP for a rework to focus better on the issue of converting a dialogue-heavy print work to an animated or live-action medium.
Side note, this trope is why I never got into the Naruto anime. Saw one episode of the Zabuza arc and it abused this something fierce.
I'd yard and disambig between Talking Is a Free Action and Padding.
"As long as I have my comrades with me, I can do anything!" (She/Her) (Current Focus: Cleaning Hell Is That Noise misuse)It looks like I could have hooked a crowner sooner since there's already support for Yarding and broadening beyond anime and manga (plus disambiguating the page after it's Yarding), but one's hooked now.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Calling in favor of sending the trope to the Trope Idea Salvage Yard to rewrite the trope in a way that covers works from any country and isn't specific to anime and manga, and disambiguating the page between Talking Is a Free Action and Padding after it's Yarded.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.I Yarded the trope and disambiguated the original page.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 25th 2024 at 5:07:54 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Went ahead and took care of the wicks; the only ones left are on Archive.Ad Of Lose Pre 2018 and Talk.Who Would Win Archive, and I don't think we're supposed to touch those.
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.Locking, then.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Crown Description:
Inaction Sequence is a trope that's explicitly about how anime adaptations of manga will use a specific form of padding to extend the original work's fights to overcome the problem of the fight being over in a few minutes of animation in the new medium; the fights get extended by putting in a lot of non-action sequences to drag out the fight. However, it has the following problems:- This trope has existed since at least August 2008, yet it only has 20 on-page works (some with multiple bullet points) and 111 wicks.
- The redirect "Not So Fast" (which is a holdover from the trope's original name) had only a handful of examples, all of which were misuse for the dialogue-based "Aha! Not so fast!" moments.
- Both the on-page examples and wicks indicate that this is almost exclusively anime/manga-based, and its origins do lie with anime adaptations of manga. The three non-Anime examples on the trope page are either discussions about this happening in anime, or a parody of it happening in anime.
- There was a TRS for this in 2011 to clean-up misuse. At the time, the biggest source of misuse was ignoring the requirement for the example to be about non-action padding that's added to an adaption of an action sequence from an original work. While the clean-up did happen, the subject of it having wider conceptual problems was flagged. However, the TRS was eventually closed due to lack of activity, so nothing was resolved.
- There is a possibility that this is not distinct enough from Padding to merit its own trope.
- What should be done with Inaction Sequence?
To-do list:
Note: This thread was proposed by Wyldchyld.
Wick Check: Inaction Sequence Wick Check
The Problem: Inaction Sequence is a trope that's explicitly about how anime adaptations of manga will use a specific form of padding to extend the original work's fights to overcome the problem of the fight being over in a few minutes of animation in the new medium; the fights get extended by putting in a lot of non-action sequences to drag out the fight. What I found was the following:
Wick Check Results:
Of the misuse, by far the most common misuse was using the trope to describe any fight that contained any non-action moments:
I don't think expanding to cover the misuse would be the solution here. In anime/manga, fights having non-action sequences is normal. It's not even for padding, it's the style. It's effectively PSOC for anime/manga and extends into competitions or any kind of non-fight confrontations (especially in more comedic works).
This also seems to be anime/manga exclusive. There aren't many non-anime/manga examples and almost all of the ones I checked were trope misuse. Where it is correct, the question arises of whether this is distinct enough from Padding to exist in its own right.
Inaction Sequence wick check:
Purpose: Is this trope thriving and how much misuse does it have?
Trope
Results
Of the misuse, by far the most common misuse was using the trope to describe any fight that contained any non-action moments:
Conclusion
I don't think expanding to cover the misuse would be the solution here. In anime/manga, fights having non-action sequences is normal. It's not even for padding, it's the style. It's effectively PSOC for anime/manga and extends into competitions or any kind of non-fight confrontations (especially in more comedic works).This also seems to be anime/manga exclusive. There aren't many non-anime/manga examples and almost all of the ones I checked were trope misuse. Where it is correct, the question arises of whether this is distinct enough from Padding to exist in its own right.
The Wick Check
On-Page Examples:
There are twenty works with examples at the time of this wick check, across three folders: Anime/Manga (17); Webcomic (2); Western Animation (1).Categories Total: 49
Marigold: Then there were 4 filler episodes about a trip to the hot springs with his dad. His dad is really boring.
Dale: We are 22 episodes in. He has yet to pull a single sword from his ass.
Marigold: I can't tell if it's a brilliant deconstruction of shonen anime tropes or if it's just garbage.
Dragon Ball
Yu-Gi-Oh
Naruto
One Piece
Wick Check Examples:
Checking the wicks (111 at the time of wick check; check 50 wicks).Categories Total: 52
Calvin: Meet my dad, the Gene Siskel of Saturday Morning TV.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 24th 2024 at 2:01:02 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.