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Paging ~Green Galaxy to the thread.
Anyway, when the OP says disambiguate, I'm assuming that splitting off subtropes and having the main page as a supertrope was what was meant if examples that don't fit subtropes would still be allowed on the page, since disambiguation pages aren't allowed to have any examples.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 20th 2024 at 7:35:18 AM
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In that case, we can send examples to TLP entries for Non-Preemptive Multiplayer and for Leaderboards there.
This deaf, dumb and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball.
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I agree with doing that (or Yarding them if nobody here steps up to sponsor them), especially due to a lack of existing wicks for the former.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 20th 2024 at 9:18:53 AM
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Crime Against Fabulosity
I have been wanting to add another form of multiplayer to the Meta Multiplayer page that is currently lacking recognition: Competitive Bingo, where two players are given the same bingo board of game objectives and are racing to complete them in their game before the other does. They're technically not playing the same game, but their meta-game is shaped by what's happening on the bingo board, which they can both update. There's a website, Bingosync
, which allows players to create live bingo boards.
However, the reason I didn't add it is because I feel the Meta Multiplayer page is kind of a mess anyway, and I wanted to clean it up first. The formatting of the page feels non-standard compared to the rest of TV Tropes. I'd be down with splitting the page into its constituent tropes.
Six feet of solid style.
To clarify, that is correct; I meant that the categories with enough examples should be able to get their own TLP that I wouldn't mind setting up once a decision is made. Meta Multiplayer becoming a supertrope for unclassifiable examples is also a good plan.
Is this referring to a meta-challenge, or an actual mode in-game (e.g. Pikmin 3's Bingo Battle)?
Crime Against Fabulosity
It's a meta-challenge, created by players of the game but not actually part of the game itself. It's more a Self-Imposed Challenge rather than an actual multiplayer mode.
Six feet of solid style.
Unless it's an official inclusion, I would think that would be filed under a Self-Imposed Challenge akin to speedrunning and the like.
"I used to long for time alone, I used to long for a place of my own..."
Six feet of solid style.
To add to this discussion for the theoretical future "leaderboards" trope, I still think simply having a list of top scores in and of itself is Chairs-y and was prone to zero context examples. A bare minimum to qualify should have the leaderboard serve some significant purpose or function during the game, although that does beg the question of what a significant purpose even is.
Like, I know there are a lot of games where you can just dismiss a leaderboard entirely, but what about old arcade games where the top score is always proudly displayed and typically there's a special jingle that plays when you pass it?
"I used to long for time alone, I used to long for a place of my own..."
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Hooked a crowner since it seems like we already have an idea for what to do, and need to decide whether to do it.
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the Retromancer
Just noting here that while Succession Game has wicks, it's lacking wicks from actual works and on-page list is very poor. Maybe it won't affect it as a page, but feeling bringing up in case someone can recall more works while the other subtropes are drafted.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
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I honestly can't think of any examples. Ford Racing 3 had a really interesting *inversion* of the idea where you alternate between different vehicles as well as Asphalt 8+ and one of the Need for Speed PSP games, but that doesn't really count as you're alternating between different characters as a single player.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Calling in favor of splitting Meta Multiplayer by sending subtropes to either TLP or the Trope Idea Salvage Yard, and only permitting on-page examples that don't fit into any of the given subcategories.
As mentioned on the crowner, Succession Game and Racing Ghost are both already considered subtropes, and there are already enough examples to begin TLP entries for Non-Preemptive Multiplayer and for Leaderboards. Misuses can be sent to the proper subtropes as cleanup. For the subtropes that don't already exist, we can just sandbox the examples and Yard them if nobody here feels up to making drafts.
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Crown Description:
Meta Multiplayer has a broad definition, and sending subtropes that don't already have pages to either TLP or the Trope Idea Salvage Yard, plus moving examples that fit subtropes that already exist to those subtropes has been suggested; the main Meta Multiplayer page would only allow examples that don't fit any subtropes after that. What should be done?
To-do list:
As previously brought up in this Trope Talk thread
, Meta Multiplayer is has a broad definition that encompasses several forms of non-direct multiplayer in video games that all boil down to a form of "players are competing but they aren't playing the game at the same time." The page itself defines four general categories of Meta Multiplayer as follows;
Results for (Wick Check)
Out of 53/53 total wicks...Analysis:
Over half (56.4%) of the uses of Meta Multiplayer are in specific reference to a game having any kind of score-tracking leaderboard and not having any other trope to defer to when writing an example. The other forms of Meta Multiplayer listed either already exist as subtropes with their own pages, or have only just enough examples to begin a TLP entry. Several of the "this game has a leaderboard" entries border on being ZC Es with little in the way of explaining what the leaderboard actually tracks, with the other forms of MM typically having much more robust examples. Considering the usage, simply having a leaderboard of top scores is possibly People Sit on Chairs unless there's a further explanation.Proposed Solution:
Meta Multiplayer currently encompasses too many different things to the point where it's too broad to be considered a trope by itself. My suggestion would be to disambiguate it into its subtropes, and only permit on-page examples that don't fit into any of the given subcategories. Succession Game and Racing Ghost are both already considered subtropes, and there are already enough examples to begin TLP entries for Non-Preemptive Multiplayer and for Leaderboards. Misuses can be sent to the proper subtropes as cleanup.Wick check:
Meta Multiplayer is currently facing a lot of issues that I originally brought up in this Trope Talk threadWhen going into this I was expecting there to be a problem with MM being used to reference leaderboards, but not really have a lot of bulk elsewhere.
Total Wicks Checked: 53/53
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 1st 2024 at 3:10:13 AM
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