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Note: This thread was proposed by Very Sunshine.

Lie Back and Think of England was placed in the Tropes Needing TRS list because, while it is meant to be used for consensual encounters, the trope was often listed in non-consensual encounters. The trope itself is about a character who finds sex to be boring or a chore, with the title coming from a noblewoman distracting herself from her husband by thinking of her country. Tropes Needing TRS suggested renaming could make the trope easier to understand.

  • Lie Back and Think of England: This trope is supposed to be for women disliking and having to endure consensual sex, but gets misused (as was pointed out) for non-consensual examples. The name may be to blame for being vague. Check 50 wicks.

My wick check showed that 14% of the entries were clearly about non-consensual sex, though this number could be higher if the zero context examples, which made up 24% of the entries, were properly expanded. There is also a pattern of people interpreting this trope to mean "being distracted by anything during sex" or using it as a stock phrase (14%).

I am unsure if thinking about one love interest while having sex with another person counts as this trope. If it does, the correct usage goes up to 21/50, or 42%.

Changing the name to clarify what the trope is about could help curb misuse.

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Misuse: Lie Back and Think of England

Lie Back and Think of England was placed in the Tropes Needing TRS list because, while it is meant to be used for consensual encounters, the trope was often listed in non-consensual encounters. The trope itself is about a character who finds sex to be boring or a chore, with the title coming from a noblewoman distracting herself from her husband by thinking of her country. Tropes Needing TRS suggested renaming could make the trope easier to understand.

  • Lie Back and Think of England: This trope is supposed to be for women disliking and having to endure consensual sex, but gets misused (as was pointed out) for non-consensual examples. The name may be to blame for being vague. Check 50 wicks.

My wick check showed that 14% of the entries were clearly about non-consensual sex, though this number could be higher if the zero context examples, which made up 24% of the entries, were properly expanded. There is also a pattern of people interpreting this trope to mean "being distracted by anything during sex" or using it as a stock phrase (14%).

I am unsure if thinking about one love interest while having sex with another person (especially another love interest" counts as this trope. If it does, the correct usage goes up to 21/50, or 42%.

Changing the name to clarify what the trope is about might be useful.

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     Correct: Consensual sex is seen as a chore that must be endured | 18/ 50 36% 
  • House of the Dragon: The inter-cutting and juxtaposition of a rapidly declining Viserys creakily "taking his rights" from Alicent, who submits to her wifely duties in the marriage bed with all the receptive heat and passion of the Lands of Always Winter. As opposed to hale and dashing Daemon introducing Rhaenyra to the joys of foreplay; the two of them drawn together magnetically, almost spinning and dancing when they both get lost in their first shared kiss, stroking, and writhing in the throes of building rapture.
  • Literature under Fifty Shades of Grey: The other Aesop of the book is supposed to be about a woman discovering her sexuality and enjoying it. Completely broken by the fact that Anastasia can only properly admit to herself that she is feeling horny by attributing anything regarding arousal to her Inner Goddess, a mental representation of her sexuality that she depicts as the epitome of a perpetually horny woman. She considers sex dirty and disgusting, unless one is absolutely in love with their partner, and often shames people who have casual sex mentally; including her best friend Kate. Anastasia's discovery of BDSM is also done improperly: she isn't taught anything, doesn't understand safe words, and she's actively scared of the majority of what BDSM entails. The Aesop is less 'a woman discovers her sexuality and enjoys it' and more 'a woman submits to the old Lie Back and Think of England trope'.
  • A Northern Dragoness under No Sympathy: He dragged his barely-widowed son to the South to force him to remarry without letting him grieve. When Jonnel meekly tries to delay by suggesting his intended bride may be unpalatable to watch, Cregan retorts he will have to bed her with his eyes closed.
  • Analogue: A Hate Story under "The Pale Bride": Averted. Everyone expected her marriage to the Emperor to be like this, but it turns out that she enjoys sex. As she put it, "thirty minutes of being fulfilled - if only in the most literal sense".
  • Louis C.K.:
    Louis: We're so bad at sex, and then we wonder why women aren't, like, really aggressive about sex. We think it's 'cause they don't have as much desire as we do, that's how stupid men are, that we think, "They're just weird! Women are, like, fucked up in the head. 'Cause they don't wanna just fuck all the time. If I was a woman, I'd just fuck everybody! Why don't they wanna fuck all the time? I do!" Of course you do! Because when you fuck, you get to fuck a woman! When she fucks, she has to fuck a guy! Wildly different experience! For a man, 100% of the time he's fucking a woman, it's the greatest thing that ever happened in his entire life. For a woman, about 40% of the time she's being fucked by a guy, she's thinking, "I'll get over this in a week. It's not the worst thing. I'm not gonna cry this time..."
  • Fan Works under Vale's Underground: The sex scene with Neptune and Weiss. Due to the Weiss not being interested in it, the idea isn't really as sexy as it could be otherwise.
  • Feast:
  • Pride (2014): One of the women, Jaqui, (drunkenly) rants to Steph and reveals that she believes sex is only for men’s pleasure. Steph assures her that sex is for the women too.
  • Splendor in the Grass under All Women Are Prudes: Deconstructed. 1920s American society expects women to be like that; when Deanie asks her mother if she ever felt "that way", she's told that no nice girl ever has sexual desires, and that her mother had always viewed sex with her husband as a wifely duty rather than something to enjoy (see Lie Back and Think of England below). This causes Deanie to feel guilty about her own desires, and prevents her from consummating her relationship with Bud... which eventually leads to heartbreak for both of them.
  • Sunshine Cleaning: Norah is shown having meaningless sex that she gets no joy out of after Lynn makes advances on her at a party.
  • Live-Action TV under Gentleman Jack: Anne points out that, while lesbian relationships are stigmatized and considered sinful, they are not illegal — the laws forbidding homosexuality are written in a way that only applies to men. That said, Anne outright admits that even if having a relationship with another woman was a crime, it wouldn't stop her. (Believe it or not, this really was true in a lot of places, partially because, at the time, sex was thought of something done to women by men, rather than something women sought out or wanted for themselves. After all, a Proper Lady would only have sex to procreate or please her husband, riiiiiiiiiight...?)
  • Aubrey-Maturin: Sophie may have been brought up to follow this trope, despite Jack's best efforts to encourage her to enjoy their marital relations. While Jack loves Sophie deeply, he's less than totally satisfied with Sophie's passive attitude toward sex (which is undoubtedly a factor in his extramarital adventures). During The Yellow Admiral, when their marriage is experiencing serious difficulties, Diana and Clarissa Oakes do their best to coax Sophie out of her indifference about sexual relations, with some success.
  • The Kingdom of Little Wounds: More common than not. Sex is often something the female characters need to endure, not enjoy. Sophia in particular does her best to knock herself out with wine before consummating her marriage.
  • Mahabharata under Celibate Hero: Traditionally, abstinence matters a lot in Hinduism, but usually it's fasting in various forms (vows of indefinite prohibition are another matter entirely). Thus celibacy is defined differently in the Mahabharata than almost anywhere else. It is described most of all as a lack of sexual lust. Thus, Arjuna, The Hero, is described to be a bramhachari ('celibate') despite marrying Draupadi and Subhadra, sleeping with Chitraganda and various other Naga Princesses because he is sleeping with them only for procreation. Also, warriors were not supposed to refuse any female request for sex. Highly subject to Values Dissonance.
  • The Alice Network: Eve Gardiner's relationship with René Bordelon goes something like this. While she later finds herself, against her will, beginning to enjoy the physical side of it, she never likes it enough that she would willingly sleep with him if she didn’t need the information.
  • A Tale of Two Rulers: Zelda accepts that in offering marriage, she's also offering herself as the mother to Ganondorf's future children, and everything that comes before children. She later suggests that old Hylian traditions enforce this for both partners by having them wear blindfolds, earplugs, and mittens during sex. It is then deconstructed and averted: Ganondorf refuses to do anything she clearly doesn't want to happen, while Zelda's primary apprehension about sex stems from her past abuse. It's only after they're both comfortable being intimate with each other that they consummate the marriage, and Zelda happily instigates intimacy as time and their relationship further progress.
  • My Year of Dicks: Pamela's father tells her that women don't enjoy penetration so there's really no need for her to actually have sex.
  • Best of My Love: Meng Yao commits to lying back and thinking of Lanling after initiating sex and losing interest midway through, thinking it’d be unfair to Xichen. Xichen, noticing something is wrong, stops him.

     Misuse: Rape | 7/ 50 14% 
  • Meth Project: In "Sisters", a teenage girl pimps herself and her little sister out to a group of men for drug money. As the video ends, the older sister can be heard saying, "Just close your eyes, Sarah..."
  • Alternate Worlds: As Esdeath sexually abuses him in Chapter 2, Tatsumi tries to think of Sayo. Mercifully, Esdeath is distracted by some Danger Beasts before she can violate him.
  • La piel que habito: Vera when raped by Zeca, and again when lying with Robert, in order to earn both men's trust so he could escape. Original was fully spoilered.
  • The Favourite under Black Comedy Rape: Nobody gets raped onscreen, but it's referenced a few times, usually in this context. For instance, when Masham comes to see Abigail in her quarters:
    Abigail: Have you come to seduce me, or rape me?
    Masham: I am a gentleman.
    Abigail: So, rape then? (immediately lays on her back and goes as stiff as a board)
  • The Last of Us:
    • Even after surviving everything, Ellie has a very uncertain future to look forward to. Given that she's The Immune, she'll likely be pressured to have children to a far greater degree than the other women, as her children will likely carry her immunity and thus create the possibility of a future free of infection. Unless she runs away, back out into the dangerous wilderness, she's likely not going to have a lot of choice in whether or not she wants to have kids.
      • It gets even worse when one considers the big reveal of the Left Behind DLC. One must seriously hope that Ellie is bisexual as opposed to an out-and-out lesbian, because if it's the latter, she won't even be able to suck it up and enjoy the sex. Her only option when the inevitable comes will be to Lie Back and Think of England.
  • Memoirs of a Geisha: Though geisha are not prostitutes, at the time the movie is set in, it's known that some greedier okiya forced them to lose their virginity to the highest bidder (a practice more common amongst Oiran). In Sayuri's case, her thoughts during the procedure run along the lines of her attempts to "put all the force of my mind to work in making a sort of mental barrier between [the man] and me… I searched the shadows on the ceiling for something to distract me."
  • Dark Elf Historia: On the "Slave" path, Fraylia is repeatedly pimped out to various people on the pretense of improving Orocu's diplomatic standing.

     Misuse: Non-sexual Examples and Stock Phrase Examples 7/ 50 | 14% 
  • Sonic the Hedgehog (IDW): A rare non-sexual example: Dr. Starline tells Mr. Tinker to "lie back, relax, and think of Eggmanland" when about to painfully restore his memories of being Eggman.
  • A Scotsman in Egypt under Depraved Homosexual: Duke Puccio of Milan. He even says Lie Back and Think of England to a handsome English ambassador.
  • The Handmaid's Tale: Offred recalls the phrase "close your eyes and think of England" during the ceremony, and (mistakenly) attributes it to Queen Victoria. Annoyingly, this book does have a valid example, but not the way this is written.
  • The Mortal Instruments: Jace tells Clary to do this before they kiss in front the fairy court in City of Ashes. More like "Close your eyes and think of England."
  • Bodyline: Douglas' girlfriend says that she does this when he starts talking about cricket.
  • Veronica Mars:
    • V suggests this as a way for Mac to get through prom with her goober of a date.
    • Mac is excited/nervous about getting a hotel room after prom; Veronica says this jokingly to calm her down.
  • Inside Out under Accidental Innuendo: If Sadness telling Joy that being dragged around by her foot "feels kind of nice" wasn't fertile enough for the coarse-minded, the way she drops to the ground and sighs "I'm ready" sounds an awful lot like Lie Back and Think of England.

     Zero Context | 12/ 50 24% 

     Possible Misuse: Thinking of another Love Interest | 3/ 50 6% 
  • La Chienne: Lulu tells a girl friend that when Maurice is having sex with her, "I lay back and think of Dédé." Thinking of her love interest.
  • DARLING in the FRANXX: Ikuno, on two occasions, is unable to get Chlorophytum moving unless she thinks of Ichigo and not Mitsuru. The implication is that she has to think of Ichigo to do her duty as a wif- sorry, pilot.
  • Hayley Kiyoko: Implied in "Curious" where Kiyoko thinks her ex-girlfriend fantasizes about her while she's in bed with her new boyfriend.
    "You think of me, I'm what you see, when you look at the sky."

     Other Misuse | 3/ 50 6% 
  • The Right Stuff: When John Glenn has to masturbate for a sperm sample, he hums the Marine Corps Anthem — for, uh — inspiration. Cooper then starts humming the Air Force anthem. Interservice Rivalry at its finest. Completely different trope.
  • Crusader Kings III: This [planned pregnancy mechanic] also allows the player to work around characters that would otherwise almost never get a child, like a combination of traits decreasing fertility or being homosexual. Likely misinterpreting the trope.
  • Girl with a Pearl Earring: Pieter wants to get more physical in his relationship with Griet, which she is much less enthusiastic about, even though everyone expects them to get married one of these days. General lack of interest in sex.

     Indexes and Non-Examples | 1/ 50 2% 

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 26th 2023 at 4:13:39 AM

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#26: Jun 8th 2023 at 12:12:33 AM

Hooked a crowner for whether to rename.

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#27: Jun 8th 2023 at 8:56:24 AM

Downvoted because I would rather redefine the trope to match the real-world usage of the expression.

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#28: Jun 8th 2023 at 9:39:08 AM

Sorry; forgot to add rewriting. I added that as an option (mutually exclusive with renaming because it wouldn't make sense to make the definition match the phrase while also ditching the phrase) and I'll bump the ATT query and add a note to it mentioning that a new option was added.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 8th 2023 at 11:41:22 AM

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#29: Jun 8th 2023 at 10:43:17 AM

So, mod posting again because the crowner has been kind of unstable; the option that was added first (renaming) shifted from having consensus to going below consensus range, while the newly added option to rewrite to match what the phrase usually means is within consensus range, though it does not have enough votes yet. Thus, the crowner won't be called until at least the 13th.

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#30: Jun 8th 2023 at 12:27:06 PM

I'm also on the "Match the real usage" train.

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#31: Jun 8th 2023 at 12:50:44 PM

So, the original option (renaming) has dipped further down and is in the negative instead of having a positive ratio that isn't positive enough (i.e., below 2:1), while the new option (rewriting) is nearly unanimous (just one downvote) and has several more votes than what's needed for consensus, so I stand by my decision to delay calling the crowner since the crowner shifted a lot today.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 8th 2023 at 2:51:05 PM

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#32: Jun 8th 2023 at 6:14:08 PM

Never heard the phrase before and always felt this trope had a non-indicative name.

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#33: Jun 8th 2023 at 6:23:27 PM

On top of the extreme obscurity, there's also the issue that, by the trope's own admission, the phrase may never have even been said in the first place.

Edited by badtothebaritone on Jun 8th 2023 at 8:23:45 AM

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#34: Jun 8th 2023 at 7:16:45 PM

[up]Quotes being apocryphal has never stopped them entering the lexicon before: just look at the purported line from Isoroku Yamamoto that you couldn't invade America because there'd be a gun behind every blade of grass. (totally not trying to start a gun argument lol)

For this particular one, I saw it spoken by a male FBI agent in a book once where he and his female partner/ex-wife had to infiltrate a sex cult. He went through the motions when he had to have sex with another woman in order to keep their cover.

I do think the Sex Is A Chore concept is tropeable: the "I'm So Tired" musical number in Blazing Saddles comes to mind.

Edited by StarSword on Jun 8th 2023 at 10:20:23 AM

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#36: Jun 9th 2023 at 3:55:52 AM

Would the quote being apocryphal make it a Dead Unicorn Trope? Just got out of bed, so I'm reading unread TRS posts and I'm not entirely sure.

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#37: Jun 9th 2023 at 5:32:40 AM

[up] That's for tropes that were never played straight. This one clearly has been, in fiction and in reality. It's the title that is a memetic phrase attributed to a famous figure with no proof. There are many such phrases, like Wellington's "by God they scare me" or Machiavelli's "the ends justify the means". The sentiment behind them is real, but they are hooked onto a recognisable figure to give them context.

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#38: Jun 9th 2023 at 6:22:45 AM

All right, just checking.

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#39: Jun 11th 2023 at 11:20:25 AM

Oh, right, and when I responded to the post about the quote being apocryphal, I neglected to mention that I agree that the quote being apocryphal isn't a problem. If it were a problem, the Beam Me Up, Scotty! page probably wouldn't exist, or at least it probably wouldn't exist under its current name.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 11th 2023 at 1:22:00 PM

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#40: Jun 12th 2023 at 4:06:48 PM

Posting this comment to make public that I voted in favor of rewriting the trope. I didn't upvote or downvote the other option.

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#41: Jun 14th 2023 at 10:38:59 AM

Looks like the crowner has stabilized. Calling crowner in favor of:

  • Rewrite the trope to match the real-world usage of the expression: going through the motions and passively allowing sex to be done to oneself, Marital Rape License or not (rather than either actively taking part and enjoying it or actively resisting). (Mutually exclusive with renaming)

A rewrite can be written up on Sandbox.Lie Back And Think Of England

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#42: Jun 14th 2023 at 11:57:57 AM

I just copied the current description to that sandbox as a starting point, but I haven't made any changes yet (and I don't currently feel up to it). I also made Sandbox.Lie Back And Think Of England Wick Cleaning to keep track of which pages we've gone through during cleanup since we aren't removing every wick.

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#43: Jun 25th 2023 at 5:56:08 PM

I did some tweaks to the opening paragraph and removed the last bit of the paragraph explaining the troper's name because I didn't think it was necessary. I don't know what else needs to be done so I dunno if this is enough.

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#44: Jun 25th 2023 at 7:57:14 PM

[up]I can't think of any more changes, and in hindsight, I'm not sure too many changes were needed. I'm considering moving the sandbox to Main/ in three days if nobody objects.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 25th 2023 at 9:57:25 AM

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#45: Jun 25th 2023 at 8:32:04 PM

I feel as if it's written is still too focused on the "All Women Are Prudes" idea. The second paragraph is also just talking about the phrase origins, which I feel it's unneeded; and the third paragraph is about men thinking about other things to delay climax which is Think Unsexy Thoughts.

I rewrote almost the whole thing, but maybe I'm being radical or have a different idea of what this trope should be, so I'll post the rewritten description in a folder here rather than the Sandbox, so it's easier to compare.

    Lie Back And Think Of England rewrite 

In contemporary society, sex is commonly regarded as a recreational experience but it's not always so. Often times people have had to endure having sexual intercourse against their wishes, and given this is such an intimate act, they often cope by mentally detaching themselves from the physical act and simply going through the motions and passively allowing the unwanted sexual encounter to transpire.

While this can happen to someone of any gender, it's far more common to occur with female characters. The phrase "Lie back and think of England" refers to the societal expectation that women should endure or submit to sexual activity with their husbands, even if they are not particularly enthusiastic about it. Although the phrase originated in Britain, this stigma extends globally as it reflects a traditional and repressive view of sexuality, where women were expected to prioritize their role as wives and mothers over their own desires. This was often associated with the belief that All Women Are Prudes who are simply incapable of enjoying sex, feigning headaches, stomachaches, and menses to get away from their "marital duties". Today, such beliefs are recognized as sexist and oppressive, undermining female agency and suppressing their sexual autonomy.

Although historically this coping mechanism is more prevalent in marriages (especially of the Arranged Marriage kind or ones where Marital Rape License is invoked), fiction often portrays characters using this type of mental disengagement to deal with several kinds of unwanted sexual encounters, usually of the Questionable Consent nature, if not straight-up sexual harassment or rape. This can include scenarios where characters are forced to have sex by a third party such as Aliens Made Them Do It or Mate or Die situations. Or they may need to engage sex in order to fulfill a specific goal such as a seducer sleeping with a target, participating in a Sex Magic ritual, or simply for reproduction purposes. Sometimes one character may zone out simply because their partner is simply incredibly bad at sex.

This trope is frequently visualized via a Revealing Hug, with the partner on the top "doing all the work", while the other looks to the ceiling with a blank or vacant expression, sometimes with Dull Eyes of Unhappiness, Empty Eyes or a Thousand-Yard Stare.

Not to be confused with: Anorgasmia, for when a character is physically unable to climax during consensual sex; Think Unsexy Thoughts, which is when a character deliberately imagines something unpleasant so as to avoid or delay sexual arousal; Unfocused During Intimacy, which is when two characters have consensual sex for recreational purposes, but at least one of them can't help but be distracted for various reasons.

Contrast The Loins Sleep Tonight or Speed Sex for when a character wants to have sex but is unable to get aroused or has finished too quickly. When the emphasis is on a husband's "right" to force sex on his wife, see Marital Rape License. See also Awful Wedded Life for when nothing about being in a relationship is enjoyable. See British Stuffiness and Stiff Upper Lip for National Stereotypes associated with this trope about the British. See also Incompatible Orientation, Paralyzing Fear of Sexuality, and Sex Is Evil, and I Am Horny.

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#47: Jun 25th 2023 at 10:32:31 PM

[up][up]Since your rewrite is more thorough, I swapped it in. (I used the mod edit tool to copy the source code of the rewrite from your post, but I didn't actually edit your post.)

I think I'll retract what I said about swapping in the rewrite after a set amount of time and wait a bit longer to give more people a chance to provide feedback.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 25th 2023 at 12:33:00 PM

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#48: Jun 25th 2023 at 10:36:15 PM

Black Mage's rewrite looks good to me

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 26th 2023 at 9:08:40 AM

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Trope Repair Shop: Lie Back and Think of England
8th Jun '23 12:12:15 AM

Crown Description:

Lie Back And Think Of England was placed in the Tropes Needing TRS list because, while it is meant to be used for consensual encounters, the trope was often listed in non-consensual encounters. The trope itself is about a character who finds sex to be boring or a chore, with the title coming from a noblewoman distracting herself from her husband by thinking of her country. Tropes Needing TRS suggested renaming could make the trope easier to understand. What should be done with Lie Back And Think Of England?

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