Is this tropeworthy/Chairs?

Oftentimes here in Trope Talk, we get questions about whether or not a given trope is tropeworthy enough, or is an example of the kind of non-tropes discussed in People Sit on Chairs. These threads are extremely frequent, and per discussion in the TRS meta thread, this megathread was created.

This will be a centralized place to ask: is this article I found tropeworthy? Does it convey meaning or is it used to tell the story, or is it just something that happens to exist in a work? Ask here, and hopefully you will get the answers you need.

Remember, something that is "(people sit on) chairs" means it's happenstance or conveys no meaning. Something that also happens in real life, is common, is rare, or seems minor is not the same as being chairs.

As an additional note, keep this in mind when bringing tropes in, as noted by amathieu13:

Edited by Tabs on Oct 29th 2023 at 10:08:41 AM

Had an old TRS thread for Wedding Enhanced Fertility:

Laconic: "A couple unexpectedly conceive a baby either shortly before or shortly after the wedding."

I don't get how the timing makes it anything substantially more than "baby happens". It was said that the examples show how it's tropeworthy, but I still don't get it?

Is it a Significant Conception Date sorta thing?

Edited by Malady on Mar 1st 2023 at 7:10:11 AM

I don't think I've seen any examples that puts particular significance on conception dates, and even if they do exist I think Significant Birth Date sufficiently covers that.

As for the trope itself... I agree that it seems pretty chairsy, especially since the description doesn't specify how "soon" after the wedding should the pregnancy happen (I've seen some examples where the pregnancy happens several months after the wedding, which is normal?).

Edited by Adept on Mar 2nd 2023 at 1:14:11 AM

[Deleted, not relevant query.]

Edited by PCD on Mar 2nd 2023 at 3:05:29 AM

Issues regarding TLP drafts should be discussed in the comments section of the drafts themselves, not here.

Yeah, don't bring the TLP here.

My apologies for misunderstanding the scope of this topic.

No problem.

So, to make sure I get the modus operandi of the thread: If someone asks about a trope page, we discuss about it to explain if the subject is tropeworthy; and if we feel it isn't, then does it get added to the TRS Queue immediately, or the usual wick check is done first in case the examples we find justify how the trope is significant for the works where it appears?

I'm just asking so the Tropes Needing TRS page doesn't get too bloated with pages that get added for "not being tropeworthy" without people giving enough weight of thought.

Wick checks are always done first. I wanted to model this thread on the Duplicate tropes thread and how things are done there.

Adding a trope to TNTRS is never and should never be treated as a requirement, especially not based on one discussion. Yeah, wick check first

Can I bring up another trope, or are we still supposed to be discussing Wedding Enhanced Fertility?

I mean, I think it's pretty casual right now. What trope do you want to ask about?

Yeah, like I said this thread is basically just the Duplicate tropes thread but for Chairs tropes. What trope is it you have concerns about?

I already did a wick check for it, but I mean, I could be wrong, and being extra sure is never wrong.

Is The Barber (male, western hairdresser/barber) tropeworthy, especially since Chatty Hairdresser (indicated to be unisex at the end) technically/partially covers it?

Seems that way—Chatty Hairdresser indeed covers the one tropeworthy idea I could think of looking over the description.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Mar 2nd 2023 at 8:45:22 AM

Saw your wick check. Would be good to put it in TRS Queue and suggest merging it with Chatty Hairdresser.

Cuffs Off Rub Wrists has no meaning beyond "the moment where this character rubs their wrists after their handcuffs are off exists". Thoughts?

Edited by ElRise on Mar 3rd 2023 at 2:11:49 AM

Re: Wedding Enhanced Fertility: I think there's tropeworthiness to a wedding coinciding with a conception, as it suggests the writer wants to rush this couple into the "happy family" dynamic as soon as possible, especially if Wedding Finale and Babies Ever After overlap. I do think that the "proposal coinciding with conception" angle feels like a different idea — I actually recently checked out WEF because a fic I'm co-writing had two characters in a whirlwind romance conceive on accident immediately after their wedding proposal, and I feel like it emphasizes the "whirlwind" nature of it all, but there's also a bit of a proposal and pregnancy happening together which can affect how the characters want the wedding to go.

So maybe there's another trope when the conception happens right before the proposal, but it's not an outright Shotgun Wedding?

Edited by mightymewtron on Mar 2nd 2023 at 2:24:22 PM

Huh, interesting. Usually when the proposal comes around the time of conception, it's an Honorable Marriage Proposal or an outright Shotgun Wedding.

The Mayor of Simpleton & El Rise, Thanks!

I already wrote your suggestion as a possible solution, ElRise.

Regarding Cuffs Off Rub Wrists, yup, this one's meaningless. Does it happen a lot in fiction? Absolutely. Does it have significance? No. At least it doesn't seem like it.

You're very welcome.

Is The Eponymous Show an index? If it's not then it's not tropeworthy as a trope, right? It's like a Search-Generated Index anyway.

Title Tropes have a whole 'nother thread dedicated to them, but seeing as that page covers both Character Title and being named for the lead actor, and any form of show named after either, I'm inclined to say it's meaningless as a trope, and while its breadth means that it's not literally a Search Generated Index it isn't particularly meaningful as an index either.

Honestly, I feel that The Eponymous Show works better as an index than it would as a trope, so I guess I'm alright with keeping it as it is; an index.

EDIT: Huh. Well then with Character Title and Title Tropes being a thing, then I guess The Eponymous Show is obsolete if the other two examples do a better job as index pages.

Edited by CrimsonShark on Mar 3rd 2023 at 1:07:51 PM

Yeah, I know. I'm the one who made that thread, heh. But since it got no response there, I decided to ask here instead.

Are you saying it's not tropeworthy in your edit?

If I take it to TRS, would merging it with Character Title be a good idea?

No, it doesn't seem to be tropeworthy because other than simply being a title, there's very little about it to make it distinctive from other title-based tropes.