Occasionally, a wick will appear on a page's "Related to" subpage, but the page in question doesn't actually contain the link listed. In fact, sometimes nonexistent pages will appear to have this nonexistent link. This is called a "ghost wick": it is a ghost haunting pages past. There are a couple of ways these wicks could've surfaced, which are related to administrative/mod deletions and reversions
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Elimination of a ghost wick depends on where the wick is occuring.
On an existing page:
- If the page is a redirect, make a null edit. It might force earlier changes to the page to register. Please leave an edit reason so others know what's going on. If that doesn't work...
- If the page has content but no internal links at all, create one. Wicks only update if there's at least one wick on the page, so adding one will make the ghost wick disappear. If you feel there's nowhere to place an appropriate link, add a link arbitrarily (such as to the page itself), save the edit, and delete it after. Please leave an edit reason so others know what's going on.
- If the page is ghost-indexing (creating index bars on other pages even though it's not an index), do a null edit to its page type (under Page Info; in the sidebar on desktop, bottom of the page on mobile). If it's a redirect, you'll first have to break the redirect so you can access the page type in the first place. After you're done, restore the redirect.
On a nonexistent page:
Requesting removal of ghost wicks from ghost pages is the purpose of this thread.- Post the page where the ghost wick is supposed to exist.
- Alternatively, if the page is not in the Main namespace, you can recreate the page with "Ghost Wick" and a wick to the page, then add it to the Cut List where a moderator will delete it.note
Edited by Twiddler on Jul 8th 2023 at 1:55:52 AM
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It may be worth checking Frequent Redlinks, as several of those are listed as having ghost wicks.
I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.
Well, at least the admins have cleaned some otherwise impossible ghost wicks, such as this report of mine from ~4 years ago?
I’ve discovered that linking to Troper pages like system works for pages with no links, and has the positive effect of not moving the ghost wick elsewhere.
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I believe Archives can't be edited, so the namespace should probably be listed in the "cannot be fixed" section.
Edited by Karxrida on Nov 3rd 2022 at 12:14:24 PM
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
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Nah, I don't see why we'd need to go that far. Any Archive that has a ghost wick would likely have one just because they lack wicks, and adding / cutting a wick won't actually change the content of the page.
That said, I do know one thing we could put there; pages that start with special characters like punctuation can only be edited / cut by admins.
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I was under the impression that Archives aren't allowed to be edited for any reason. But if I'm wrong then I'm wrong.
Edited by Karxrida on Nov 3rd 2022 at 1:47:15 AM
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
My thought is that they aren't allowed to be altered, such as to get rid of an actual wick or to fix a typo — whatever changes the content. But adding and then deleting a wick wouldn't change the actual content of the archive, so I'm not sure if it'd actually be banned.
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Removing ghost wicks doesn't alter the content of the archive so it should be fine.
Edited by MacronNotes on Nov 3rd 2022 at 5:01:20 AM
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Film.The Crazy Family has a Weapons Of Choice wick buried somehwhere in there (??)
Edited by RobertTYL on Nov 15th 2022 at 7:57:07 PM
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That's not a ghost wick and the wick wasn't hard to find either. I am not sure what the problem is. Judging by the history, you commented out a Lock-and-Load Montage entry that contained a Weapons Of Choice wick because you did ZCE cleanup on the page.
Edited by MacronNotes on Nov 15th 2022 at 7:11:59 AM
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The Final Fantasy is making a ghost wick to WeaponOfChoice.
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Arodius is creating a ghost wick to Gainaxing
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Sandbox/Sh?jo is an impossible ghost wick.
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Also the first one (in this thread) that we cannot fix. Congratulations. 
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Acutally, {{Sandbox.Sh?jo}} is a ghost page that still has content not visible by normal means, which is an older version of Shōnen Demographic, made by Aquar1us in 2015. And yes, everything linked here get the ghost wick.
Manga and anime aimed primarily at pre-teen and teenage boys. They tend to be Fighting Series focused more on action than relationships, with romance generally either perfunctory or Played for Laughs. The series is usually dominated by fighting, although just as often it is sublimated into a form such as a sports competition or even a Tabletop Game. The title character, and most of the cast, is predominantly teenage or young adult male, equally capable of action and Ham. Lots and lots of ham.
Note that while the term "Shōnen" tends to be used to refer to a few standard genres, it literally refers to the target demographic (and in Japan, generally refers strictly to manga, rather than anime). Its older counterpart is Seinen, although both are enjoyed by other audiences as well. The Distaff Counterpart to Shonen is called Shoujo.
The distinction between Shōnen and these other genres is a hotly contested subject. There is no definite marker for a series being or not being Shōnen. Though the magazine it runs in is a good indicator, many Shōnen magazines aim for the huge Seinen Periphery Demographic that also purchases them. Some of this is a natural result of the franchise Growing the Beard together with the audience: many series that are popular with the Seinen demographic (and marketed towards such in omnibus tankoubon volumes) have run in Shōnen magazines when they were serialized. Themes are not a definite indicator either: while most Shōnen works (particularly the action fighter types) tend to fall in the idealist side on the scale of idealism vs. cynicism, there are also plenty of works with Darker and Edgier elements and outright Deconstructions that can easily be mistaken for a Seinen series and evoke a What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? reaction (Death Note and Neon Genesis Evangelion are some of the notable examples).
Shōnen series were the first to be brought over en masse to the Western world, and as such, makes up much of the popular American perception of anime.
This is because it is, perhaps, the genre most similar to heavily actionized, Rated M for Manly Western Animation shows of The '80s, also largely geared towards teenage males with swaths of Multiple Demographic Appeal. (Pure Shōjo bounces between the realms of cutesy and melodramatically scandalous for most Media Watchdogs, so it does not get shown in the West as much.)
General Examples
- Almost anything with Humongous Mecha.
- Sometimes, adaptations of stories with Multiple Demographic Appeal will create two versions of the story, one Shōnen and one Shōjo. For example, The Vision of Escaflowne had a Shōnen-version manga produced of its story, while Magic Knight Rayearth's OAVs have a similar bent as compared to the original series.
- Nearly all the titles featured in the Weekly Shōnen Jump (or simply Jump) magazine have a kind of legacy with each other, enough that a crossover video game was highly received.
- The Dragon Ball series is by far the quintessential Shōnen, and due to its age, length and influence provides examples of most of the classic tropes. Not to mention the fact that its popularity has more or less inspired most of the current Shonen Manga of this day and age. The Creators of the Big Three all admit to having their series greatly inspired by Dragon Ball Z.
- Of all the ongoing Shōnen series, One Piece is the most popular. It has drawn a great deal of inspiration from Dragon Ball, but developed a very unique and compelling flavor of its own.
- Bleach is part of the Holy Shonen Trinity and, unlike Naruto, One Piece and Dragon Ball, the Bleach anime hasn't had issues with staying on the air in America.
- Completing the current Jump Triforce is Naruto, which was the most popular manga in America for a long time.
- JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, released in 1987, is one of Shōnen Jump's longest running Shōnen series, having reached over 100 volumes in Japan. Only two parts, Stardust Crusaders (part three)and Phantom Blood (part one) have gotten an official English release. With its 7th part, "Steel Ball Run", it has switched magazines to Ultra Jump and thus officially graduated to Seinen.
Other Examples in Shonen Jump
- Angel Densetsu
- Assassination Classroom
- Bakuman。
- Barefoot Gen
- Baoh
- Beelzebub
- Beet the Vandel Buster- Notably put on permanent hiatus due to one of its creators being ill and the other moving onto a different production
- Binbō-gami ga!
- Black Cat
- Black Clover
- Bleach — The third of the "Big Three" among currently active Shonen Jump series.
- Blood Blockade Battlefront
- Blue Exorcist
- Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo— A humorous and surreal parody of shonen
- Butsu Zone
- Captain Tsubasa — up until the Road to 2002 saga, that is: then it moves into seinen territory. Makes sense, the readers are mostly adult males (and some adult females) who grew reading it in ''Shonen Jump'.
- Cat's Eye
- Claymore — although it's sometimes thought to be Seinen for the same reason and because of its dark themes as well as bearing a superficial resemblence to Berserk.
- Death Note — although even plenty of anime fans still mistake it for Seinen, mostly because Light is an adult for most of the series and there's the What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? factor. Played with in the Bakuman。 series (by the same creators), in which several characters support Seinen-type stories running in Shōnen magazines.
- D.Gray-Man, even when its Estrogen Brigade says otherwise.
- Chounouryokusha Saiki Kusuo no Ψ Nan
- Doctor Slump
- Dokonjou Gaeru
- Double Arts
- Dragon Ball — It and especially its sequel Dragon Ball Z , is a major contributor to many tropes to shonen in general.
- Embalming
- Eyeshield 21— Football oriented
- Fist of the North Star, although Yuria Gaiden and Juuza Gaiden (the most recent ones) are Seinen. Again, a major contributor to, if not the original fighting shonen.
- Ginga: Nagareboshi Gin
- Haikyuu!!
- Hikaru no Go: Go game oriented
- Hinomaru Zumou
- Hunter × Hunter
- Iron Knight
- JoJo's Bizarre Adventure — Parts 1-6. It moved to Seinen magazine Ultra Jump starting with Part 7, Steel Ball Run.
- Jungle King Tar-Chan
- Katekyō Hitman Reborn! — though its audience appears to consist mostly of Periphery Demographic
- Kimagure Orange Road
- Kinnikuman: Wrestling oriented, but also a major contributor to shonen tropes. Its sequel, Kinnikuman Nisei is Seinen.
- Kochira Katsushika-ku Kameari Koen Mae Hashutsujo
- Kurogane (2011)
- Kuroko no Basuke
- Majin Tantei Nougami Neuro
- Mazinger Z — its first run, anyway. In 1974, it was moved to Kodansha's TV magazine.
- Medaka Box
- Muhyo and Roji: contains Seinen elements
- Mx0
- My Hero Academia
- Naruto — One of the Big Three, it is currently the most popular manga in America
- One Piece, although it attracts nearly every demographic, from kids to teens and adults. Currently Japan's most popular ongoing manga.
- Papa No Iukoto O Kikinasai
- Psyren
- Read or Die: Rehabilitation — Often confused as Seinen due to it being more risque than Read or Die and Read or Dream, both genuine Seinen.
- Ring ni Kakero - Starts as Shonen, the sequel switches to Seinen.
- Rokudenashi Blues
- Rookies
- Rosario + Vampire: Cointains Seinen elements
- Rurouni Kenshin
- Saint Seiya — Trope Codifier for Cast Full of Pretty Boys in the genre, and the Genre Popularizer for the Shonen Estrogen Brigade. Also, the term "Yaoi" was coined by the series' fandom to refer to the Male/Male Slash Fic generated by said fandom.
- Sakigake!! Otokojuku
- Samurai Usagi
- Seraph of the End
- Shaman King
- Sket Dance
- Slam Dunk
- Space Adventure Cobra, but only in its original run in Shonen Jump. Every story afterward is Seinen.
- Takama-ga-hara
- To Love Ru: Its sequel is much more shonen
- Toriko - Starting in 2008, it is sometimes considered Bleach's replacement among the Big Three after the later's anime ended.
- Yu-Gi-Oh!
- Yu-Gi-Oh! (first anime series)
- Yu-Gi-Oh! (Duel Monsters): Trope Codifer for card game themed anime
- Yu-Gi-Oh! R
- Yu-Gi-Oh! GX
- Yu-Gi-Oh! 5Ds
- Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL
- YuYu Hakusho — another paradigm of Shōnen.
Non-Shōnen Jump Examples
- A Certain Magical Index
- A.I. Love You
- Air Gear: Roller blade oriente
- Akame ga Kill!
- Akarui Sekai Keikaku
- AKB49 – Renai Kinshi Jourei
- Akumetsu
- Aku no Hana
- Aphorism
- Apocalypse Alice
- Apocalypse Zero
- Arachnid
- AR∀GO: City of London Police's Special Crimes Investigator
- Area no Kishi
- ARIA - Although it contains elements commonly found in Shōjo, Seinen, and Josei manga, it was serialized in a shonen magazine and it tends to be labelled as such.
- Asura
- Attack on Titan
- Axis Powers Hetalia — Originally, the published manga ran on the Gentosha Comics's Seinen magazine Comic Birz until it was relaunched on Shueisha's Shonen Jump Super in 2014.
- Azumanga Daioh, which, along with the whole genre it codified, is often mistaken for seinen or Shoujo.
- B't X
- Baby Steps
- Baka And Test Summon The Beasts - Oddly, its manga adaptation is Darker and Edgier than its light novel counterpart.
- Bakugan
- Batman - the 1960s licensed series.
- Beck
- Big Order
- Black Butler — even though it resembles a mix of Seinen and Shojo much more than actual Shōnen.
- Blood+
- Break Shot
- Cahe Detective Club
- Cat Paradise
- Change 123
- Chūka Ichiban!
- Code:Breaker
- Most Code Geass manga
- Code Geass: Nightmare of Nunnally
- Code Geass: Tales of an Alternate Shogunate
- Code Geass: Suzaku of the Counterattack
- Code Geass: Renya of the Dark
- Crimsons – The Scarlet Navigators of the Ocean
- Cromartie High School
- Dakara Boku Wa H Ga Dekinai
- DEAD Tube — Mistaken as Seinen due the copious amount of blood, sex, murder and nudity; it runs on Champion RED so it is expected from them.
- Deadman Wonderland — Often mistaken as Seinen due to its violent content and basically having a similar story to Elfen Lied
- Devilman — Yes, that Devilman. Despite all the blood, violence, , gorn, and nudity, it ran in Weekly Shonen Champion in 1972.
- Detective Conan
- D-Live!!
- Digimon: Mon Trope Codifier along with Pokémon
- DinoZaurs
- Et Cetera
- Eureka Seven — the anime can go into many genres, but both the manga adaptations were published in Shōnen magazines.
- Fairy Tail
- Flame of Recca
- Franken Fran
- Fukashigi Philia
- Full Contact
- Fullmetal Alchemist: Alchemy themed, as well as a major contributor to anime tropes
- Gamble Fish
- Get Backers
- Getter Robo
- Ghost Talker's Daydream
- Girls Bravo
- Great Teacher Onizuka
- Gunslinger Girl — Often mistaken as Seinen due to themes of child abuse and terrorism and bearing a superficial resemblance to Black Lagoon
- Guyver
- Hajime no Ippo
- Hanako and the Terror of Allegory
- Hanasaku Iroha
- Haruhi Suzumiya
- Hayate the Combat Butler
- Heaven's Lost Property
- Hekikai No Aion
- Heroman
- Highschool of the Dead — Yes, THAT Highschool of the Dead. For all the violence and gorn, it was published as a Shonen series instead of Seinen.
- Horimiya - despite looking like a shoujo series, it is serialized in Monthly G Fantasy, a shonen magazine.
- Hyakuen!
- Hyouka
- Ichigo Mashimaro
- Ikoku Meiro no Croisée
- Inazuma Eleven: Soccer themed
- Joshiraku
- Kagetora
- Karakai Jouzu no Takagi-san: Adorable Puppy Love "rivalry" gives this one a strong Periphery Demographic, though.
- Kamichu!
- Kanokon
- Karakuridouji Ultimo
- Karakurizoushi Ayatsuri Sakon
- Kashimashi: Girl Meets Girl
- Katteni Kaizo
- Kekkaishi
- Kiba
- Kidou Tenshi Angelic Layer — by CLAMP, a mangaka team well known for their work in Shōjo.
- Kimi to Boku
- Kongoh Bancho
- Kotaro Makaritoru!
- Kunisaki Izumo no Jijou
- Kurogane Communication
- The Law of Ueki
- Legend of Heavenly Sphere Shurato
- The Legend Of The Legendary Heroes
- Live On Cardliver Kakeru
- Lost+Brain — which is mistaken for Seinen for just about as much as Death Note.
- Love Hina
- Lucky Star
- Magic User's Club
- Magi: Labyrinth of Magic
- Magimoji Rurumo
- Mai Hime
- Major
- Maken-ki!
- Mazinger Z — second run.
- Mahoraba
- Mahou Sensei Negima!
- Mai Hime — again, has been mistaken with both Seinen and Shojo.
- Maoyuu Maou Yuusha
- Medabots
- Megalomania
- Mirai Nikki — Often mistaken as Seinen due to its violent and horrific content, and its spinoff series Mirai Nikki: Paradox, is genuine Seinen.
- Mitsudomoe
- Mobile Fighter G Gundam
- Muv-Luv Unlimited
- Neko-de Gomen!
- Neon Genesis Evangelion- often mistaken as pure Seinen, but most of its manga adaptions as well as the anime are either Shōnen or Shōjo.
- Nichijou
- Oda Nobuna No Yabou
- Oku-sama wa Mahou Shoujo: Bewitched Agnes (a.k.a. My Wife is a Magical Girl: Bewitched Agnes)
- Outlanders
- PandoraHearts — like many series published in GFantasy, it has a Multiple Demographic Appeal and blends shounen and shoujo tropes with more mature storytelling.
- Pani Poni Dash!
- Patlabor
- Phi-Brain: Puzzle of God
- Pokémon, which, along with Dragon Ball Z, helped to popularize the genre in the West. While most of the series is halfway between this and kodomomuke, Origins and the Mega Evolution Special episodes are solidly shounen.
- Popcorn Avatar
- Princess Tutu — the manga, ironically, according to That Other Wiki.
- Rave Master
- Red Eyes
- Rising × Rydeen
- Ronin Warriors — the manga adaption was aimed at a younger male audience with heavy depictions of violence and gore.
- Saijou no Meii
- Every work by Rumiko Takahashi except for Maison Ikkoku:
- Ranma ½
- Inuyasha
- Mermaid Saga — Mistaken as Seinen due to its violent content
- Urusei Yatsura
- RIN-NE
- Satou Kashi no Dangan wa Uchinukenai
- Sayonara, Zetsubou-Sensei
- School Rumble
- The Seven Deadly Sins
- Sgt. Frog
- Shakugan No Shana — The earlier half.
- Shibatora — Deals explicitly with some dark and mature content, but is serialized in a shonen magazine.
- Shigatsu Wa Kimi No Uso
- Shindere Shoujo to Kodoku na Shinigami
- Shitsurakuen
- Shoukoku no Altair
- Someday's Dreamers
- Spiral
- Spriggan
- Soul Eater
- Star Driver
- Steam Detectives
- Stop!! Hibari-kun!
- Super Dreadnought Girl 4946
- Slayers
- Tamayura
- Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
- There, Beyond the Beyond
- Tiger Mask
- Trigun — until it switched publisher and became Seinen.
- Toradora— Despite being a romantic comedy, the manga was serialized in a shonen magazine.
- The manga parts of the Touhou series:
- Touhou Sangetsusei
- Touhou Bougetsushou (all three parts)
- Wild and Horned Hermit
- Forbidden Scrollery
- Curiosities of Lotus Asia — technically a set of short stories rather than a manga, but was published in Shonen manga magazines.
- Triage X
- Tsubasa -RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE- — yes, despite the genre of the various series it's a crossover from it runs in Shōnen magazine.
- Ultimate Mop Daisuke DX — an Affectionate Parody of Shōnen tropes.
- Undertaker Riddle
- UQ Holder!
- Watashi No Messiah Sama
- Welcome To The NHK
- The World God Only Knows
- Violence Jack — It ran in Weekly Shonen Champion in 1973. The later half of the manga moved to a Seinen magazine.
- Viper's Creed
- Yamada-kun and the Seven Witches
- Yakitate!! Japan
- Yandere Kanojo
- Yotsuba&!
- Yowamushi Pedal
- Zatch Bell!
- Zetsuen no Tempest
- Zettai Karen Children
Edited by Amonimus on Dec 4th 2022 at 12:49:09 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
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dp: Putting it into Cut List surprizingly worked, so let's see what happens.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
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Gaston cut it and it seem to have worked.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Occasionally, a wick will appear on a page's "Related to" subpage, but the page in question doesn't actually contain the link listed. In fact, sometimes nonexistent pages will appear to have this nonexistent link. This is called a "ghost wick": it is a ghost haunting pages past. There are a couple of ways these wicks could've surfaced, which are related to administrative/mod deletions and reversions
. The details aren't important.
Elimination of a ghost wick depends on where the wick is occuring.
On an existing page:
On a nonexistent page:
Requesting removal of ghost wicks from ghost pages is the purpose of this thread.Edited by Twiddler on Jul 8th 2023 at 1:55:52 AM
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.