Not too long ago, the Creator Backlash trope was merged with Old Shame as per this TRS thread
. Unfortunately, Creator Backlash has experienced some misuse since it might be for when a creator backlashes against an entire work. A recent idea for a cleanup was raised on the "Is this an example?" thread.
Given that, I think we should start a cleanup effort. If there are any other cleanup suggestions for this trope, please post here.
MOD NOTICE: Since a lot of examples that now belong under Creator Backlash are still listed under Old Shame (courtesy link to the list of wicks) from before it was redefined to refer to In-Universe shame, this thread has permission to vet examples that are still listed under Old Shame to see whether they fit the expanded Creator Backlash or whether they should be removed.
This is the to-do list that was used for the TRS thread:
- On-page examples were transplanted from Old Shame to Creator Backlash (except for in-universe examples), but further cleanup and/or sorting may be needed (either merging separate bullet points from the same creator/work or in-universe examples that need to be moved back to Old Shame).
- Move out-of-universe/meta examples of Old Shame to Creator Backlash, since the former's current definition is being merged with the latter (i.e., whether the work is popular is no longer relevant for Creator Backlash examples). In-universe examples are staying under Old Shame because it is being retooled into an in-universe trope.
- Cleanup is being tracked using the Old Shame Wick Cleaning sandbox.
Edited by gjjones on Oct 31st 2022 at 11:33:12 AM
Trans Siberian Anarchestra (it/they)
I don't have an opinion on this specific example, but it seems about as wrong to claim that the translator has no creative input as it would to say the same thing about an adaptation screenwriter or a theatre director.
The Revolution Will Not Be Tropeable
he/him
The fact he talks about how he changed it suggests that he had some creative input, or at least believed he did.
Coffeenix! (She/Her)
Found this on Vs Sonic.exe and I'm unsure if it counts.
- JoeDoughBoi, in a community post on YouTube, stated that, while Sonic Villains does have its potential, he feared that implementing the likes of Fatal Error and Rewrite into the animation could prove very risky, considering the state of the community, suggesting to implement pre-2020 EXE takes as a better representation of Sonic.exe in general.
- JoeDoughBoi, in a community post on YouTube
This is in such a weird grey area. JoeDoughBoi didn't work on Sonic Villains, but it doesn't really fit Disowned Adaptation either because he said the fan film has potential, and his concerns are more about referencing specific adaptations of Sonic.exe given how turbulent the fandom is. Maybe it can still count as an example of Creator Backlash towards Vs Sonic Exe, if JoeDoughBoi regrets working on it given its infamously Troubled Production.
What do you think? Sandbox help wanted.
From Trivia.Lovely Complex:
I don't want to sound too harsh, but I don't think translators can be considered creators, as their creative control is practically zero. Even in extreme cases like Power Rangers. The original work, Kyōryū Sentai Zyuranger, can be considered unaltered.
This is even worse in this case, where, according to the example itself, none of Brendan's changes made it into the final dub.
Valdo