Shout Out Cleanup

I think it might be, judging by the fact that it's called an "epic" and that Neopets has a lot of silly jokes like that. But it could probably use more context.

I looked the book up on Jellyneo, and it's a gray book with a Lupe on it. Since Lupes are the Neopets version of wolves, that's another sign that it is indeed a reference (since, ya know, Starks and all that). The book was an Advent Calendar prize, and the animation has nothing to do with ASOIAF, but eh.

Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 11th 2021 at 8:55:55 AM

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"Winter is coming" was such a big meme during the height of GOT that I can't imagine it not being a reference.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

I'm not entirely sure about the examples on ShoutOut.MagicalGirlRaisingProject.

• PMMM's plot is very different from MGRP's (it's not a battle royale for one thing), as are its goals and themes. Snow White does share some traits with Madoka, but to call her an expy would be misunderstanding what an expy is. Likewise to La Pucelle being a shout out to Sayaka. Hardgore Alice's role share's little if any resemblance to Homura's; comparing Cranberry to Mami is a huge stretch, even with the "evil counterpart" caveat. Fav does share some similarities with Kyubey, but Fav's goals and background are in no way the same as Kyubey's... Basically, the whole PMMM section is suspect.
• I don't know anything about Doraemon, so I have no idea if Magicaloid 44 is a shout out or not.
• I can see an argument being made for Fav and Fal's designs and roles being a shout out to Danganronpa's Monokuma and Monomi respectively. However, I don't know enough about Danganronpa to say with certainty. At least the Monomi shout out sounds legit.
• The Christine entry sounds like a proper shout out to me, given the context.

Edited by Oratel on Jun 15th 2023 at 4:44:19 AM

~ ♪ I know I’m playing with your heart / And I could treat you better but I’m not that smart ♪ ~

• While I'm sure Madoka influenced MGRP, the actual plots are too divorced to see any concrete shout outs. Snow White and Madoka come from the same template of magical girl leads, which explains any similarities they have, but they end up going in very different directions. Same deal with Sayaka/La Pucelle. The others aren't close at all. I could be convinced of Kyubey/Fav given the importance of them being evil mascots, but again their characters are vastly different.
• The character designer for MGRP apparently didn't even know Danganronpa existed when Fav was designed, so their appearance similarities should be coincidental. They did learn about it later, and I don't know about the writer, so Fal/Monomi maybe.
• Don't know about Doraemon myself, but I've seen it be stated that Magicaloid was influenced by it in other places, so it's probably fine. Some more detail would be appreciated though.
• Christine seems fine.

Hello,

I added an example to Caravaneer and ShoutOut.Video Games but thinking about it I am unsure if it actually fits Shout-Out, some other trope or 'just remove it.'

• Caravaneer 2: Lois's Amazon Brigade that can be temporarily recruited to attack Regin's Gang are made up of NPCs Lagertha, Brienne (both with high sword skill), and Tauriel (with high crossbow skill), who resemble their namesakes.

I am unsure if these characters are examples of an Expy, since these are NPCs who have no characterization or dialogue (that aren't the generic grunts of pain for every NPC who can take part in combat) and I don't think it's Captain Ersatz since they are named directly after the characters.

Edited by delayedboom on Sep 16th 2021 at 8:03:31 AM

We don't sweep with a broom, no~

Examples have been moved to the main page/cut accordingly.

~ ♪ I know I’m playing with your heart / And I could treat you better but I’m not that smart ♪ ~

Two questionable Shout-Out entries on Recap.Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2012 S 4 E 24 The Tale Of Tiger Claw. The other two on that page seem fine to me, though:

• Bebop tries to play some tunes from a mixtape on an old cassette, an unmistakable reference to Guardians of the Galaxy. Pretty sure mixtapes coming from old cassettes were a thing waaaay before GotG.
• Alopex herself is a fox with super speed. Sound familiar? She also dresses similar to Ino from Naruto, including the armored headbands that those ninjas wear. First one is "two similarities to another character" misuse. Second one, after looking at some images of 2012!Alopex, she does in fact have a similar headband to what the ninjas in Naruto wear. But the rest of her outfit doesn't look all that much like Ino's, and just being similar to something else usually doesn't cut it for this trope (with the exception of extremely strong resemblances, iconic characters, or just plain Word of God).

Bringing this example from Doctor Whomage up, because the example admits that it wasn't done intentionally:

• Rufus from Bill & Ted is a strange man from the future with a time travelling phone box. Apparently an accidental example because the creators admitted they hadn't heard of Doctor Who and gave him a phone box time machine by coincidence.
  • The Boom! Studios comics lampshade it with a teenager from the future saying that Rufus converted Earth's unused phoneboxes into time machines after getting the idea from aliens with British accents.

Bringing up some from ShoutOut.The Binding Of Isaac

• (Under Castlevania) One of the projectile upgrades is Haemolacria - in other words, Bloody Tears. Not sure on this one. I've never played a Castlevania game, so I don't know if Haemolacria is meant to be a shoutout to something specific. Haemolacria is based on a mod that originally had you throwing water balloons, so I don't feel like its intentional. As written, this is a ZCE. The item in question.

• One of the new items in Wrath of the Lamb is the Notched Axe, a pickaxe that can be used to break rocks. This is a double reference, shouting out to the Notched Pickaxe from The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, which was itself a reference to Minecraft and its creator, Notch. In Repentance, the item was reworked to work on a durability system that functions exactly like a pickaxe, and the Book of Virtues effect causes it mine coal, iron, gold, redstone, and diamond wisps from rocks. Valid shoutout to Minecraft, but the Skyrim part seems like an unneeded middle man. It's two properties making the same pun.

• The Chemical Peel item will give you a Harvey Dent makeover. It burns half your face, but the similarities stop there. It's not the blue or purple Two-Face, nor is it as disfigured as the Dark Knight version. Seems like too flimsy of a connection. For reference.

• Subverted in the case of Gluttony. A lot of fans think that his appearance and the blood-laser that shoots from the stomach are references to Fullmetal Alchemist; HOWEVER, Edmund McMillen himself has stated several times that the resemblance is purely coincidental, because he has never watched (nor even heard of, prior to the game's release) Fullmetal Alchemist.
  • Similarly, the Sad Onion is also not a reference to Stuart Ashen nor the "Not for ages 0-3" face that repeatedly appears on the packaging for products he reviews. I'm pretty sure trivia can't be subverted. If something's not a shoutout, then it's not a shoutout.

• Actively defied in one particular case. Many people were expecting references to Northernlion, Bisnap, or other big names in the TBoI fandom, but Edmund has stated that he intentionally avoided such references in case he accidentally left someone out.
  • Although, there's a little nod to a certain meme started/nourished by Northernlion. "Rebirth Got Canceled" is one of the new Fortune Teller message, which was a popular joke statement back before the game's release,^note and it's still used around some parts, despite it being out! and a thinly-veiled Take That! towards Phil Fish, who decided to cancel Fez 2 after a particularly bad meltdown. Second bullet is a valid example, but it needs to be rewritten to make sense without the first.

• Samson's Chains in Rebirth attaches a ball-and-chain to character, like in NetHack or Spelunky. I have no idea what this is trying to say. If it's just an item that functions similarly, it's either not an example or needs more proof that its intentional.

• The Afterbirth DLC contains an item called "Continuum". Its effect allows Isaac's tears to loop through the boundaries of the screen. Wrap Around is an existing trope. Unless Asteroids grants it via a purple infinity sign powerup, this isn't a reference.

• Lazarus is characterized by his red hair. Much like another fictional character who uses the name. Lazarus is a Biblical character. I don't actually know if Biblical Lazarus specifically has red hair, but I also still don't think that would be enough of a similarity.

• The Forget Me Now item is a reference to the series Arrested Development. I think this is accurate, but it needs context.

• One possible reference might be the Dead Boy achievement, earned by not taking damage in the Chest room or its Dark Room variant. The Chest is famous for having the great big golden door that leads to the Lamb. Life has many doors, Dead Boy! Shoehorning. Every floor achievement has "[X] Boy" as its name, and Dead Boy is clearly a reference to the game's plot. Also, nitpicking but the Golden Door does not lead to The Lamb, it leads to different boss.

• The second phase of the boss Mega Satan has a significant resemblance to the Icon of Sin. Maybe? I'm not sure on this one. It's the skeletal head of a Big Red Devil, but they're not very similar beyond that. I'd believe it with a citation.

If the example admits it's not an example, then it should be removed.

In order:

• I'm not too familiar with either work, but going off of this context-free, it seems a little suspect.
• Not terribly familiar with any of those works so I can't really comment, but I'd think you should just keep whatever the game is actually referencing.
• I don't know, Harvey Dent is pretty well known so I actually wouldn't be surprised if that's a reference, but at the same time there's only that one connection.
• As with the Bill & Ted example above, just delete.
• Yeah, the second part seems valid, but as it is now it's just natter. Just delete the first.
• Agreed.
• Agreed, sharing tropes is hardly a Shout-Out.
• That similarity seems too tenuous.
• Agreed, it needs more context.
• It doesn't seem like the kind of game to be making a reference to Ed, Edd n Eddy, but the use of "possible" makes this violate Examples Are Not Arguable, anyways.
• Yeah, they don't seem all that similar to me.

I feel like there's probably a YMMV reaction worth mentioning where viewers think something is a reference to something else, but it's actually not. Mistaken For Reference, maybe?

Found this, uh, monster from The Smurfs 2. Point #2, in particular...

• Actor Allusion:
  • Christina Ricci playing a goth. — Goths are common in films, too generic.
  • Excluding from appearing as a host, co-host and judge, Nancy O'Dell appeared as herself before in eleven talk shows^note The Talk, Home & Family, Rachael Ray, Fox and Friends, The Wendy Williams Show, The Brian McKnight Show, Hannity, Live with Kelly and Michael, The Tony Danza Show, Late Night with Conan O'Brien and The View, two theatrical films^note Thank You for Smoking, Thumbsucker, Pauly Shore Is Dead and Welcome to Hollywood, five documentaries^note Still Screaming: The Ultimate Scary Movie Retrospective, Infanity, TV Land's Top Ten, TV's Most Memorable Weddings and Up Close and Personal: The Search for Miss America, two news shows ^note Fox and Friends and Hannity, three reality shows^note Southern Belles: Louisville, The Next Food Network Star and Dancing with the Stars, one video short^note A Very Beazley Christmas, fifteen television specials^note 47th Annual Academy of Country Music Awards, 123rd Tournament of Roses Parade in 3D, The 37th Annual People's Choice Awards, The 2010 American Country Awards, WWE Summerslam, 2009 Golden Globe Awards Red Carpet Special, Macy's Passport Celebrity Catwalk Challenge, The 6th Annual TV Land Awards, 117th Annual Tournament of Roses Parade, 116th Annual Tournament of Roses Parade, The 31st Annual Daytime Emmy Awards, 115th Annual Tournament of Roses Parade, The 14th Annual Producers Guild of America Awards, The 37th Annual Academy of Country Music Awards and113th Annual Tournament of Roses Parade and thirteen television series^note Warren the Ape, WWF Raw, Hannah Montana, 30 Rock, Dirt, Joey, Pyramid, Brothers, Charmed, Bette, The Simpsons, Celebrity Dish and Beverly Hills, 90210 as well as appearing in Yin! Yang! Yo!, playing Nancy O'Delf. List of her appearances as a host is ^here  Entertainment Tonight, MDA Show of Strength, Celebrities at Home, Jerry Lewis MDA Labor Day Telethon, 46th Annual Academy of Country Music Awards, Your OWN Show, New Year's Eve Live!, 14th Annual PRISM Awards, The ABC 2010 Red Carpet Premiere Event: No Ordinary Dramas, The ABC 2010 Red Carpet Premiere Event: Laugh On, Access Hollywood, 2009 Golden Globe Awards Red Carpet Special, Tournament of Roses Parade, 12th Annual Prism Awards, Golden Globes Announcement Special, Miss Universe 2006, Miss USA 2006, 245th St Patrick's Day Parade, Miss USA 2005, Christmas in Rockefeller Center, Nashville Star, Holiday Music Spectacular and 68th Annual Hollywood Christmas Parade, appearing as a co-host is ^here Entertainment Tonight, Jerry Lewis MDA Labor Day Telethon, Access Hollywood, Anderson Live, 114th Annual Tournament of Roses Parade and Miss Universe 2005 and as a judge right ^here Project Runway and The 78th Annual Miss America Pageant. — (wipes sweat from brow)... ok, we get it, some troper here is a hardcore Nancy O'Dell fanboy. Good to know. There are plenty of review fansites on the internet for these purposes, and posting her ENTIRE filmography on the trope page of an unrelated film is NOT OKAY.
  • Janicke Askevold played a model before in La mer à boire. — Models Exists, and they Sit on Chairs.
    • And Gaelle Herisson Pietri is a fashion model in real life. — Ditto.
  • Grace sees a pamphlet advertising some Audrey Hepburn film festival and later namedrops a couple of movies she (Hepburn, not Jayma Mays) starred in: Roman Holiday and Breakfast at Tiffany's. — Making some Audrey Hepburn references doesn't count since the REAL Hepburn died DECADES before this movie came out. CUT.
  • Patrick orders room service imitating Gargamel's voice. Neil Patrick Harris is somewhat of a voice actor, providing his voice to at least twenty-four characters. — Streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeech.

All of those can be deleted. I think the Christina Ricci one can be kept if there's substantial evidence of the goth she plays in this movie being similar to Wednesday Addams. If not, delete that as well.

From Recap.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic S 5 E 2 The Cutie Map Part 2:

A lot of this seems to just be noticing similarities to other works, rather than actually being clear references. Not surprising given how much political theming there was in the episode, but still.

Edited by PacificGreen on Oct 18th 2021 at 1:09:25 AM

For the Binding of Isaac/Castlevania one: Bloody Tears is the name of the main theme from Castlevania II: Simon's Quest, which became one of the franchise's main themes in later years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjazC45Qkww

The best character is always the one-shot disguise.

I've noticed that a lot of Referenced by... pages have a ridiculously low amount of examples and should be cut (with their examples moved to the shows' Trivia pages) or expanded. Here are the ones from the Anime and Manga section:

Edited by PhantomDusclops92 on Nov 7th 2021 at 8:51:45 PM

The best character is always the one-shot disguise.

Keep the Yu-Gi-Oh one but move the rest to the trivia page.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.

These examples are from Anime.Mobile Suit Gundam SEED:

• Shout-Out:
  • Waltfeld's personal MS, the LaGOWE, is a nod to Fukuda's earlier series GEAR Fighter Dendoh.
  • More shoutouts and Mythology Gags are given to Metal Armor Dragonar, in which Fukuda is an assistant director.
    • Yzak, Dearka and Nichol are modeled after Kaine's Dragonar team. Their Gundams specifically reference the Dragonar units: Duel is a baseline model with an optional weapon pack given to a Hot-Blooded pilot, Buster is a long range fire support unit piloted by the dark skinned one with a mellow character, and Blitz is a special warfare machine piloted by the most refined out of the trio.
    • The Aile striker is basically a Metal Armor Fixed Flying Unit, but made detachable. Jet Strikers used by Windams in Destiny are even more similar since they have detachable rocket pods.
    • Giganos and O.M.N.I. helmets share a similar raised forehead and stretched chin.
    • Combat space pods converted from construction pods with machine guns as weapon.
    • Destroying a mountain top cannon by reaching it from beneath, in episode 17 of Destiny.
  • Murrue Ramius, captain of a ship who is out to defect is a shout out to The Hunt for Red October, where the titular ship is captained by Marko Ramius, who spends the film trying to defect.
  • Ledonir resistance outfit is based on Rambo.
  • You can briefly spot Mu la Flaga pulling the Kaneda bike slide in episode 33.
  • As for Lacus Clyne:
    • She's the daughter of the local leader, tends to explore and "float" around a lot, has a Beautiful Singing Voice, something permanently in her hair, dresses which feature "fins" (as seen above), a big dramatic moment sitting on a rock, and another one after which we see Shes Got Legs. She has strong shades of The Little Mermaid, and it continues in the sequel. She's a Disney Princess in a Gundam show.
    • It should be pretty obvious that her status as an idol-singer is more or less inspired by Lynn Minmay from Super Dimension Fortress Macross, something Fukuda attested to.
    • The specificity that her distant and eventually-dead father is from the "Kingdom of Scandinavia" to go with her engagement, professional singing career, and an ambiguous relationship dealing with a ruthless man in a mask all seem to be these to Christine Daäe of The Phantom of the Opera.
  • In the HD Remaster English dub, Shani screams "Here's Shani!" while destroying ZAFT mobile suits.

What's the best way to deal with these entries?

Edited by gjjones on Nov 18th 2021 at 12:32:04 PM

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.

As I have not watched SEED in years, I can't help here.

On the other hand, someone talked about the Referenced by... subpages misuse, yes? Because I happen to stumble into Treasure Planet

Literature

• In There's More Than One Way Home, Anna remembers seeing Treasure Planet with Jack. - This one keeps.

Video Games

• The crank-powered laser rifle shows up in Fallout 4 as the signature weapon of the Minutemen, a retro-futuristic militia group uniformed in tricorn hats and pirate coats. - Uh... this, on the other hand, isn't this type of weapon a stereotypical Steampunk firearm?

In either case, there's only 1 or 2 keepers, this one can be relocated and cutlisted

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EDIT: Oh another, regarding ReferencedBy.Disney Live Action Remakes — honestly, both of these sounds like a stretch

Fanfic

• "Edgar" sarcastically summarizes a fictional live-action adaptation of The Aristocats told from Edgar's POV.

Live-Action TV

• Parodied on Saturday Night Live. When Dwayne Johnson hosted in 2015, they had a sketch in which Bambi was given the live-action remake treatment and became about Bambi's Roaring Rampage of Revenge.

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Edited by RobertTYL on Nov 19th 2021 at 11:42:07 PM

I don't see how they're stretches. It seems they're intentional references to the DLAR formula by going "what if this movie ALSO got a remake?"

Edited by mightymewtron on Nov 19th 2021 at 1:49:10 PM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

CASC Hero has shoehorned an example that doesn't fit the trope in Sonic the Hedgehog (IDW) - Independent Antagonists.

• Shout-Out: Keeping with the Dragon Ball motif of the series, Kit and she are ones to the Androids, in her case she's 17 due to her need to fight and itching to confront Sonic just as he was to fight Goku.
  • Keeping with the Dragon Ball motif of the series, Surge and he are ones to the Androids, in her case he's 18 due to being more benign and not as fight happy as his companion.

This is wrong, because the work itself doesn't allude to Dragon Ball, at best you could say that was an Inspiration for the Work (which goes in trivia), but even then, nobody in the staff has claimed the characters were inspired by the androids. Mauro Fonseca, the artist, was inspired by Android 18 for Surge's design among many other examples.

Can someone please cut these entries?

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.

cut those and did some further cleanup of the entries

Thank you.

Surge and Kit would work great in Counterpart Comparison, at least.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.

ShoutOut.Ludwig Revolution

Borderline stub with 4 items aside, does the last one seem a bit... forced?

According to the trope page another pet is named "Damian" as in The Omen, so I'd say it was intentional. Seems way too specific for me.

Edited by harryhenry on Nov 27th 2021 at 3:53:06 AM

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