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Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 24th 2024 at 1:49:19 PM
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I finished The Last Of These Is Not Like The Others' thread and filled its slot with Adept's Fanart At First Sight thread without noticing there wasn't a second free slot, but I guess we could page them again next time a slot closes.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 18th 2024 at 10:31:38 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
It's OK. The Team will take two more days tops to close as there aren't many relevant namespaces left to check.
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Amateur Veteran
That would be kindly appreciated.
Yeah, that'll be fine. It takes months for things to work their way to the bottom of the queue anyway, a couple extra days aren't really going to make that much of a difference in the long run.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
~Theriocephalus a new slot has been opened
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
He/Him
Started the Vapor Wear thread as the queued entry for Canon Immigrant is still on hold and that's the only one in front of Vapor Wear.
As it's my thread, it doesn't need credit or a ping added to it.
My troper wall
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
So, the other day I called the name crowner on Nice to the Waiter. Not really sure where to go from here, though. Do I just make the new page, redirect the current name, and initiate the wick cleaning? I'm not sure how to pin the first post or anything like that, though (is it "toggle header"?)
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Toggle header is indeed the button for pinning the OP, but only mods can edit posts that aren't theirs, though that's a moot point since you made this specific thread and thus can edit it yourself.
As for how to handle a rename, we usually use the page mover followed by turning the old name into a redirect to the new name. If I'm not mistaken, engineers can make pages in Main/ without TLP (which how we make new redirects and disambiguation pages) in addition to being able to edit locked pages.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 23rd 2024 at 8:42:27 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
We can. Just wanted to be sure there was nothing I was missing lol
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Not 100% sure where to discuss this, but The Sociopath is a trope I feel needs to be reevaluated. Sociopathy is a complex IRL concept with some fairly strict criteria, and many of the examples it's attached to (and there are a lot) simply don't properly meet much of that criteria in an actually meaningful way (and in many cases have examples that contradict it entirely). Rather, it seems to just keep getting attached to villains being villains, and I dunno, I find that off-putting.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
I mean, it's how Sociopathy is shown in fiction. We don't control how media presents mental disorders
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Problem is that the vast, vast majority of cases aren't sociopaths, or at least not labeled as such. If they're only real qualification is doing stuff common of villains, what meaning does the trope have?
the Retromancer
The Sociopath keeps being brought up here and the argument is always the same. Unless there's a new word commonly associated with characters who are "self-serving social predators who can fake emotions", what the real world terminology is isn't that relevant. Anti-Social Personality Disorder Antagonist may be more polit-correct, but most writers aren't doctors.
I mean, that is true.....but a lot of the cases the trope is used for aren't even that, as I said. They're just "this villain does villainous things".
the Retromancer
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If no emotional manipulation is mentioned, those would be misuse and can be easily removed. Maybe a cleanup thread can be set up.
Edited by Amonimus on Apr 28th 2024 at 2:48:55 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Yeah, that was what I was requesting. Thank you!
So I want to do a check on the Wolf in Sheep's Clothing trope because I feel it has several issues. Just to check if I remember things correctly:
First I make a sandbox, then I check at leach 50 links to the page and see if they fit, then I come back here. It that right?
Wizards Don't Own Cats (she/her)
Basically. That's called a wick check, where you're checking at least 50 random wicks (links to the article) for how they hold up, e.g. seeing how much of it is being misused compared to the trope's definition and what kind of misuse it is. You can also ask other people for help with a wick check.
Edited by Eggy0 on Apr 28th 2024 at 2:05:02 PM
Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
What sort of issues does it have?
Edited by Lymantria on Apr 28th 2024 at 8:05:30 AM
Join the Five-Man Band cleanup project!
Re The Sociopath: FYI, we already have a clean-up thread for that trope.
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Fixed. I accidentally cut a part of the URL so it was incomplete.
Edited by Adept on Apr 28th 2024 at 9:35:27 PM
Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph
That link doesn’t work, did you make a typo?
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Random, but something I noticed the other day that bothered me.
Does RenamedTropes.L To P really need an entire paragraph talking about the Precision F-Strike thing? It feels excessive, complainy, and kinda pointless given that it was named back in a pretty short time period.
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Officially intimidated
I agree that the text should be trimmed down.
135 - 161 - 273 - 191 - 188 - 230 - 300
Am I a weirdo?
I've got a question about potentially making something definition-only. In the recent TRS thread for Zoom, I brought up that Pan has all the same issues. It's another camera movement that mostly acts as a definition-only page, but isn't officially definition-only, and it even has an example section without any examples. Is this a situation that requires a wick check? If so, what should I even be looking for?
Bigotry will NEVER be welcome on TV Tropes.
I just did a quick check on all the work pages linked to Pan. Based on the results, every single link is a pothole rather than an actual example. Make of that what you will.
Until next time...
Anon e Mouse Jr.
Eggy0 took the spot, and as IIRC the queue is not a hard rule, Theriocephalus may have to wait unless there's something in the thread that would close it.
Edited by Amonimus on Apr 18th 2024 at 1:09:18 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup